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this hope radiates for the masses

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headliner between July 3 1947 the Army

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Air Force has announced on applying the

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- found and they're now in possession of

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the on a change the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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and K GRA

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you are wise

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I need your help to get to the

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in

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this spoke radio for now matt says yeah

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you do like how you do it

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today's Wednesday made May 20th 2020 and

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141 days into the new year

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only 225 days left we're live from a

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bunker somewhere in the middle of

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beautiful downtown Burbank California

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now I'd like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network and Keiichi are the

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planets

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of your nose to be Church what is

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cracking everybody high in doing you

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know what tonight is

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go back lead tapi that's what tonight is

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yeah mad

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dr. Robert Schoch is here for our

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gobekli tepe special event tomorrow

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night's Linda Moulton Howe she's gonna

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drop by and present all of her latest

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coronavirus Kovan 19 research that is

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going down tomorrow night no Fator night

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no open lines tomorrow night now I know

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that I had a conversation with chuck

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last week about bringing his wife on the

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show who was in the hospital and I

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wanted to crash the party there at the

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at the hospital and and have Chuck get

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past the nurse's station let's see if we

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could get her on the phone tomorrow

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night we don't have theater night

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tomorrow night but maybe there's

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something else we could do so Chuck if

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you're listening we'll see if we can

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make that happen we'll definitely do it

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next week

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but anyway tomorrow night is fate or

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night or tomorrow night it's not fader

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night we have Linda Moulton Howe here

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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radio there it is it's J right Church

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right radio jay-z radio follow me right

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there on Twitter I teach radio the

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sandbox which is already on fire I

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expected this is hashtag if to be on

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it's gobekli tepe night and we all know

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what that means

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every time I say gobekli tepe somebody's

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gonna take a drink every time you hear a

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guest say gobekli tepe somebody's gonna

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take a drink and when it's gobekli tepe

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night and I say gobekli tepe is often as

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I am going to do tonight gobekli tepe x'

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are important and you've got to play the

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game you got to play the game so what

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are you doing right now right are you

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gonna be are you gonna be ready to go at

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the bottom of the hour when Robert shot

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gets here you know because this is art

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gobekli tepe night gobekli tepe

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everybody let's do this is gonna be so

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much fun it's gonna be so much fun

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where am I at follow me on twitter our

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there in hashtag f2b Q and what I was

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another audience another group of people

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another family on this planet marnet

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that knows more about gobekli tepe

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than all of you think about that think

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about that that's what we're here for

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I had so what we're here for I should

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have warned the war Michael Beckley

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tepid t-shirts the one that I you know

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might a Myer still one of the coolest

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shirts that I have but anyway no gobekli

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breaking news it went down today the

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talk of the entertainment industry big

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deals like this don't happen that often

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Spotify has claimed its biggest

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podcasting victory today that's right it

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happened the swedish streaming giant

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announced an exclusive deal with joe

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rogan who has the number one podcast in

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the world in a deal worth 100 million

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dollars details about the 100 million

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dollar figure have not been revealed it

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is per is it per year or is it a

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multi-year contract we don't know nobody

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is talking Rogan says that he makes

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about thirty million dollars a year

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right now going it alone on YouTube and

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being an independent right which would

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me which would mean for him shift over

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to corporate money the dollars are just

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too good

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to pass up and it's alright so there you

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go it's a major pivot event for Wogan

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who has kept his podcaster the Joe Rogan

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experience completely independent since

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launching it in 2009 he will retain

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ownership and full editorial control of

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the show allegedly which will be

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available on Spotify starting in

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September and become exclusive to the

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platform at the end of the year the

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video version of the podcast which

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currently streams on YouTube will only

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be available in full on Spotify crazy

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crazy the parallels that are being drawn

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to Howard Stern are right there in front

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of all of us and I listen to Howard

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on the radio driving to work Howard

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Stern that's it

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time for free he had his book deals

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coming out he was his movies he was the

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king of all media right well all of that

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ended when he did his deal with Sirius

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XM now it was a big dollar deal a

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hundred million dollars a year five

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hundred million dollar deal over five

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years and last year 2019 Howard Stern

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made 93 million dollars now he has

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largely disappeared from the public eye

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because he doesn't care his audience

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numbers are I don't even know how low

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they are but I mean they're significant

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for Sirius XM but in the big scheme in

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the big deal and the big view of

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everything it's nothing compared to what

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he used to have but he doesn't care now

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the question remains with Joe going over

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to Spotify are his audience going to

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follow him are they I don't know a big

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chunk of them will I imagine and I've

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heard different versions of Spotify you

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know that that it's free

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you have to listen to commercials it's

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commercial free if you pay for it you

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can't download it right you have to you

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know there's all of these things that

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YouTube Wow you know I know it's

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I guess 100 million dollars it's just

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worth it that's all that's all it's it's

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do you want to speak to more people and

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have more influence or do you want to go

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in the other direction and take the

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payout and I would have thought that 30

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million dollars a year man what's just

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big chunk of money big jungle money is

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good enough but apparently not so there

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you go also check this out Michael Cohen

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remember Michael Cohen Michael Cohen was

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President Donald Trump's fixer right and

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fixer slash personal attorney he's gonna

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be released early from prison tomorrow

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and is expected to serve out the

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remainder of his sentence at home as

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corona virus continues to spread behind

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bars Cohn will be released on furlough

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while he completes the process of being

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moved to home confinement Cohen was

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Congress tax charges and to campaign

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money payments to two women who said

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they had had affairs with President

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virtually tomorrow a free man the Star

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conference is happening in Laughlin

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you can go right now and get your

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tickets and all the information you need

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at Star Wars usa.com click on the banner

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it's over Jimmy Church radio calm also

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disclosure fest which was scheduled for

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June 20th moved back to August 8th may

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be moved back again but it is happening

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at the Los Angeles Park in downtown LA I

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want you to visit disclosure

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fast dot-org for all of the current

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information and especially if we have to

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move these dates around okay there you

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let's get this show crackin happy

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birthday to today cher cher is 74 years

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old you know it's crazy here in LA when

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you drive up you go down a Pacific Coast

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Highway go up this oh it depends on

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which direction you're coming from but

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say you're coming off the Las Virgenes

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Road and there's Pepperdine right there

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any right and you pull down to PCH you

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make a right head up over the hill right

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on your left as you do that right there

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on your left and you're looking up the

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majestic beaches and coming up to the

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crest of this hill right on your left

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you see this ginormous a compound that

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is surrounded by these huge palm trees

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and he's lucky to go man look at that

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and as you drive by and kind of get a

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peak and you see the gates and you kind

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of that Cher's house it means money

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you're like man who lives there in that

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Cher chair today is 74 years old

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Susan cows hill of the cows Hills today

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60 years old and Jane and Jane Wiedlin

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of the go-go's today 61 years old

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Jane rhythm guitar right backup singer

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she's the one who wrote our lips are

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sealed

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happy birthday Jane our dead guy's

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birthday she did she did all of these

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clothes in LA I'm trying to think what

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they said these punk clothes and I can't

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remember something Jane on them anyway

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he's always remember that getting old

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our dead guy's birthday today is Joe

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Cocker 1944 to 2014 died at the age of

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70 Joe was one of the great musicians of

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this generation already huge and

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respected when John Belushi immortalized

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him on Saturday Night Live and took

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things to an entirely new level

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cockers cover of The Beatles with a

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little help of my friends reached number

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one in the United Kingdom in 1968 then

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in 1974 he covered you are so beautiful

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which reached number five in the United

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States Cocker was the recipient of

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several awards including a 1983 Grammy

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for his u.s. number-one hit up where we

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belong a duet with Jennifer Warnes now

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Joe died of lung cancer

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on December 22nd 2014 in Crawford

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Colorado at the age of 17 reports were

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and I think they're pretty accurate he

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was a two pack a day smoker

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he quit outright in 1991 but was taken

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out by lung cancer 14 years later

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there you go happy birthday Joe Cocker

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on this day in history 1956 the United

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States conducts the first airborne test

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have been improved hydrogen bomb

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dropping it from a plane over the tiny

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island of namu in the Bikini Atoll in

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the Pacific Ocean

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here's her fader fact here we go

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computers at a Soviet train station

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would randomly bug out and nobody knew

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why it was eventually traced to when

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livestock brought in from the Ukraine

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were chernobyl left the cows with so

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much radiation they actually could flip

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bits that that's your Vader fact trivia

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all right tonight it's happening it's

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our go Beckley tepee special event with

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our special guest dr. Robert M shock not

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gonna want to miss his gonna be a good

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show nothing like talking about gobekli

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tepe then talking about go back to the

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tepee since the very beginning of fade

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to black I sign off every night with

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gobekli tepe

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got it in all the commercials I even

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sign off to coast to coast am

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with gobekli tepe that's right so

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tonight is our gobekli tepe

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gobekli tepe event it's gonna be great

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tomorrow night Linda Moulton Howe is

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here and they're get-go tomorrow night

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coronavirus Cove in 19 and all of

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Linda's latest research let me hit this

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River moon coffee so today today right

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before showtime my daughter Nicole he

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texts me this article which pretty

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interesting gotta love the duality

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universe all right dad

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gotta check out this article there's a

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there's a parallel world out there that

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were time runs backwards and yeah I got

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that article sent to me a lot lately

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and John Burroughs sent it to me last

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week and I've been studying up on this

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and reading about it and it's it's great

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and Nicole if you're listening right now

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that that was pretty cool that you sent

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me that right before showtime and I text

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him to write back hey I'm talking about

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this tonight on the show she goes well

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maybe maybe her text I should read it to

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kids okay kids well but the article is a

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scenario straight out of The Twilight

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Zone and this group of NASA scientists

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working on an experiment in Antarctica

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detected evidence of a parallel universe

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where the rules of physics are the

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opposite of our own Superman's bizarro

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world a concept of a parallel universe

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has been around since the early 1960s

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everybody's been talking about it it's

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been in science-fiction movies and TV

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shows comic books but and you know some

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physicists have been talking about it

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but now a cosmic ray detection

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experiment has found particles that

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be from a parallel realm right and they

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are saying it has been here since the

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Big Bang the experts used a giant

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balloon to carry NASA's Antarctic

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impulsive transient antennae otherwise

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known as Anita high above the Antarctic

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where the frigid dry air provided the

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perfect environment with little to known

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radio noise to distort its findings well

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a constant wind of high-energy particles

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constantly arrives on earth from outer

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space

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we know this low-energy subatomic

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neutrinos with a mass close to zero can

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pass completely through the earth but

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higher energy objects are stopped by the

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solid matter of our planet

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and again we know this that means the

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high-energy particles can only be

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detected coming down from space but the

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team's anita detected heavier particles

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so called tau neutrinos which come up

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out of the earth the finding implies

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that these particles are actually

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traveling backward in time suggesting

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evidence of a parallel universe

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principle and Neeta investigator Peter

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Gorham and an experimental particle

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physicist at the University of Hawaii

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suggested that the only way the Tau

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neutrino could behave that way is if it

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changed into a different type of

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particle before passing through the

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earth and then back again okay Gorem

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lead author on a Cornell University

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paper describing the odd phenomenon

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noted that he and his fellow researchers

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had seen several of these impossible

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events which some were skeptical about

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and that not everyone was comfortable

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with the parallel world time runnin

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backwards hypothesis the simplest

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explanation for the phenomenon is that

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at the moment of the Big Bang 13.8

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billion years ago the two universe

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were formed hours and one that from our

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perspective is running in Reverse with

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time going backwards okay now of course

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there must be inhabitants of these

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possible parallel universes right and

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who's actually backwards us or them

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yeah think about that wrapping your head

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around the theory that there is another

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universe where time runs in Reverse is

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difficult because man and I guess right

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in that world you would have to have

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someplace to go backwards to in the

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beginning of the Big Bang time would run

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in Reverse to what nothing how could a

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parallel universe grow and expand

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forward right with the creation of stars

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and galaxies and planets and solar

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systems with time running in Reverse I'm

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thinking about this the evidence says it

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is so and right now I need someone to

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help me understand it because I can't

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quite figure it out

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in this reversed backwards world are we

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starting out dead right in the ground

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and we live life backwards how does that

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happen

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right how does time how does time along

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with you know the watches on our wrist

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right how how does that go backwards

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move backwards as we grow up from birth

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right we're a baby we're growing up but

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as we are moving forward the time is

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running back I'm not sure how this

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concept works my brain hurts

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I I can't

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I can't figure it out the way that the

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paper is written suggests that they

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leave this part out but if these two

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parallel universes are created at the

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same time where one is running backwards

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right it would suggest that that second

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universe must have been complete and

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then it's gonna run back I don't know

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III I don't know how you can move

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forward and grow multiply change your

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height increase you know but time is

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running backwards maybe it's just easier

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to understand then I am thinking about

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all right I need some help with this I

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really I can't figure it out and I love

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it I absolutely love it I love it time

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or maybe is it just simpler right is it

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just simpler than that maybe just clocks

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would run backwards man is that the only

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difference I just don't know I I just

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don't know I I can't figure it out but

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tonight we're gonna figure out gobekli

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tepe Robert Schoch is our guest and we

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have covered gobekli tepe since the

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beginning and not only do I believe it

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is the most significant historical site

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on this planet there are more gobekli

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tepe is out there there is more to

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discover in this world we must always

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understand that until Schmidt and in 19

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1995 until then at that point we thought

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history was there for us we were told

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history started Mesopotamia Egypt

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twenty-six twenty-seven hundred three

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thousand BC that was the beginning of

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everything there's nothing else to see

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here move along

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that's what we have been told forever

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and now clearly that is not the case and

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that's why gobekli tepe is so important

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and beyond that it is not only older

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than Mesopotamia and Egypt and anything

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else it's older by seven thousand years

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think about that we are sitting in the

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year 2020 it's 2,000 years since the

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Year Zero 2,000 years think about how

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long that is now think about what 7,000

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years is it's a tremendous amount of

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time our guest tonight is Robert Schoch

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tomorrow night Linda Moulton Howe right

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here on this program and it's going to

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be an important show tomorrow night and

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I am definitely gonna put all of those

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social media platforms out there that

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have been censoring to the test that's

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right

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter I J

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Church radio email is Jimmy and Jimmy

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church radio calm stay right there I'll

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be right back with tonight's guest

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Robert Schoch after this short break

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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is not your father's radio show on the

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planets hi this is rob reiner from amal

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and you're listening to jimmy's George

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[Music]

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welcome back beta black I am your host

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Jimmy Church tonight is our gobekli tepe

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special event with Robert Schoch we will

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be talking about his recent trip and

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documentary to the historic site its

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history and the recent media coverage

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about how geometry was used in its

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construction over 10,000 years ago dr.

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Robert M shock a full time faculty

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member at the College of general studies

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at Boston University since 1984 earned

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his PhD in geology and geophysics at

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Yale University is MS and MPhil in

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geology and geophysics from Yale as well

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as his degrees in anthropology BA and a

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geology BS from George Washington

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University in the early 1990s dr.

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Schaack along with John Anthony West

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recast the date of the Great Sphinx of

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Egypt from 2600 BC all the way back to

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around 10,500 BC by demonstrating that

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the monument has been actively eroded by

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water despite the fact that its location

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on the edge of the Sahara has injured

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hyper-arid climatic conditions for the

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past 5,000 years he revealed to the

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world that mankind's history is greater

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and older than previously believed I

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would like to welcome back to fade to

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black our good friend dr. Robert M shock

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Robert good evening man how are you very

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good thank you

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now here we are just real quick we don't

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have to spend any time on this but I do

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want to check in with you and

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everybody's wondering hey how you're

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doing and B you're in Boston which is

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full of universities you guys have a

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couple of restaurants and then nothing

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but universities and school systems

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there well we once had University yeah

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we still have universities but in answer

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to your question and I'll be honest and

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I think I told you this and I'm not

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trying to make a big deal of it but the

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kovat 19 has really been hitting hard my

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father actually was in Virginia very it

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was a

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but he was hit with it he passed away

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from it that's that's yeah I'm not

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hiding that so it's been said and in the

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Boston area here all the students have

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been sent home so all of a sudden we

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have a really empty city and I teach

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full time all the classes have been

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moved to remote and we don't know what's

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going to happen come fall again

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everything during the summer was

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canceled as far as in person

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everything is remote those that remain

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the classes that remain and we don't

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know about the fault it really is

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hitting hard yeah and when when school

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kicks up and everybody's asking this

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same question we have to wonder about

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this it doesn't matter for talking about

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preschool or kindergarten elementary day

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doesn't matter the school systems across

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the country and certainly around the

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world can't be the same well you know

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what do you think it's going to be like

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one of the same there's been a lot of

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discussion at least that I've been a

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part of at the university level that

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we're going to have to have incredible

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social distancing we have classrooms

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that are not made for social distancing

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as is being asked for etc so we may have

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to start spreading students out we're

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talking about I mean there's discussion

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of possibly going to a modified system

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what they call mixed system are mixed

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blend where some of it is remote online

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some of it is in classroom it's it's the

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world is going to be very different

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coming out of this and I don't think

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it's going to end anytime too soon

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I mean suck right and completely yes all

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the states are coming back right now all

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the not all the restrictions but there

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have been easy and restrictions I

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believe in every state and but it's not

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the same when we're still wearing mass

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here in Boston it was only Monday that

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we they started to ease up on some of

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the restrictions well it was very

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different and you know I hate to say but

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it ties

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with my own work in the sense and I you

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know you know Jimmy you know that I'm

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not one of these doomsayers Preppers you

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know trying to say that the world was

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going to end per se based on no

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particular evidence but we know that

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nature you can't control nature and we

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had a major catastrophe at the end of

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the last ice age we'll probably talk

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about that which was solar solar induced

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and if we have something like that again

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which I think we will eventually it's

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going to make a pain demek like this

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look like nothing yeah and you know you

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know the social distancing in schools

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it's going to make cheating on tests

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really hard now I can tell you and I

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mean I'm being absolutely serious about

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this I've looked at statistics for for

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the last semester because we just came

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out the last semester right and grades

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are sky high why because there was quote

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compassion and students were gone they

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had to leave during the middle of the

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semester

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so the standard grading standards were

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not the same should we say it's it's

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that's not going to stay the same that's

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not going to stay that way

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we've already know that's interesting

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and yeah it is it is but a lot of people

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were felt bad for students who all of a

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sudden I mean there were students let me

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put it this way there were students who

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went home on spring recess and were

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never allowed back on campus so they

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literally went home they didn't

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necessarily take their books um done did

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not take their computers with them etc

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because they thought they'd be back in

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three days or a week right and all of a

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sudden they can't come back and they're

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things are packaged up for them and held

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in storage until it can be sent to the I

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mean it's just an insane situation

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yeah and what about so a lot of faculty

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ended up having a lot of compassion and

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saying you know they understood that

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they couldn't get things done on time

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etc etc we've got so much to discuss

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tonight but the the school

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situation having you know a tenured

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professor right a year from Boston

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University we it's an opportunity for me

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to ask questions and and one of them is

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this if I was a parent that just dropped

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50 grand a year on a college for my

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child to attend that University and now

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the experience of living and and being

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at school and on campus is removed do I

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get my money back how does that work or

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the answer is a mixture some of the

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money is being refunded now I am NOT

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making these decisions I'm not in the

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inside so I'm only speaking in

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generalities I actually don't know all

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the details but love it has to do with

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refunding certain things like dorm fees

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for a part of the semester sure meal

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plans that type of thing but on the

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other hand and I not trying to defend

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either side one way or another on the

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other hand tuition is paying faculty

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members through whether they're doing it

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remotely or not know still doing their

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jobs and in fact I can tell you from a

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faculty point of view this is not easier

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on the faculty this is much more

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difficult it's a lot more time-consuming

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to do these things remotely I much

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rather be in a classroom talking to the

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students and dealing you know dealing

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with them in person it's a much better

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experience for the students but not to

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sound selfish it's a lot easier dealing

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with students in person and trying to do

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it remotely and having meetings remotely

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with small groups of students or

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individually or trying to give lectures

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and trying to get feedback and do its

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it's it it's it's at least five to ten

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times as much work in time if nothing

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else yeah well in person you get to

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crack somebody with a wooden yardstick -

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oh well I I know I actually I used meter

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stick I'll tell you a quick story I

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shouldn't do this but I when I was first

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started teaching I once had a unruly

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group of students and it was in a lab

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and I had yardstick slices so I decided

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I would bang it on the desk in front of

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me to get their attention yes and I did

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that I think it was a old yardstick and

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maybe I was just a little too rough and

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you know I'm not a big burly like you

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are you know rough and tough guy so this

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is not like me normally but I smacked on

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the table just to make a sound

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it went splintering into all kinds of

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pieces and and they were now that class

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they were the mildest music the rest of

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the semester

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right on right on I'm glad it's still

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being done well okay this is a great way

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to because you've just brought up the

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last ice age and as we get into this

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discussion tonight we've got lots of

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exciting things to go over and and

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gobekli tepe

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is important to you and I so marry more

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than I need to say one thing for sure

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because I heard your little your

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comments your introduction to me but I

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actually tuned in for the half hour

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beforehand so I heard what you were

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talking about mm-hm which is incredibly

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interesting but I don't want to say you

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made a mistake but you said how gobekli

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tepe

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overturn things because it's so much

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older a hundred percent agree but you

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also know that I was talking about

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civilization going back much earlier and

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of course you mentioned an introduction

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with the Sphinx so I do believe this all

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ties together and Gobekli tap to

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confirms what John Anthony West and I

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have been saying for a very long time

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yeah there's some question about it and

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and coming on the eve of you coming on

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the show which and I want the audience

820
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:52,090
to know that

821
00:43:57,570 --> 00:43:55,510
Robert and I have been planning this now

822
00:44:01,470 --> 00:43:57,580
for a few weeks this isn't something

823
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:01,480
that was decided on yesterday and it's

824
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:03,940
so in that period over the last three

825
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:07,750
weeks this big announcement popped up

826
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:12,220
about the solar minimum and that we are

827
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:15,670
now entering a grand solar minimum and

828
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:18,190
this is something that most people have

829
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:21,160
never heard of before with all of the

830
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:23,740
global warming conversations whether its

831
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:26,470
natural or man-made and what is inducing

832
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:29,500
it that part of it can be left out the

833
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,770
the the point is global warming is a

834
00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:34,960
discussion that has been going on for a

835
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:38,620
long time now we have to talk about this

836
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:41,170
grand solar minimum and when you go and

837
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:43,450
read through this or they talk about

838
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:46,390
these cycles of time every and it's

839
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:49,240
right there Oh every eleven thousand

840
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:51,010
years right and you're reading you're

841
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:52,150
going okay here we go

842
00:45:01,020 --> 00:44:56,190
right and they talk about the last time

843
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:01,030
this period had ended which obviously is

844
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:05,110
11,000 years ago gobekli tepe right the

845
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:07,300
end of the last ice age and all of these

846
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,650
events that are well documented and here

847
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:14,800
we are about to enter the grand solar

848
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:17,800
that we are now officially in the grand

849
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:20,890
solar minimum and there is a possibility

850
00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:25,630
of a new ice age that is upon us some

851
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:28,120
don't want to go that far do they Robert

852
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:31,960
but yeah go ahead but there is no

853
00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:34,120
question that we are now entering a

854
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:36,460
grand solar minimum what does that mean

855
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,130
are we a no I want to put this into a

856
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:41,440
bigger context because I'm a geologist

857
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:44,590
and I tend to look at cycles and more

858
00:45:49,350 --> 00:45:46,840
about 11 years so you're talking at the

859
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:49,360
sunspot cycle and yes absolutely we're

860
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:52,690
going to grant solar minimum but that it

861
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,210
is a short-term event in the bigger

862
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:00,400
scheme of things and what I think is

863
00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:02,350
really important and this is to put

864
00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:04,660
things into perspective we're going into

865
00:46:08,740 --> 00:46:05,630
a situation

866
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,750
over the last century plus where the Sun

867
00:46:13,539 --> 00:46:11,119
is going through these periods of highs

868
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:13,549
and lows so it's becoming very erratic

869
00:46:18,249 --> 00:46:15,230
we're going into a minimum right now

870
00:46:21,569 --> 00:46:18,259
when you look at proxies and what I'm

871
00:46:23,999 --> 00:46:21,579
referring to is isotope data and various

872
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:24,009
seventh illogical data

873
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:27,410
vitrification including lunar data etc

874
00:46:32,769 --> 00:46:29,630
what we saw at the end of the last ice

875
00:46:36,609 --> 00:46:32,779
age was a Sun that was very active then

876
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:36,619
it went into a very low a low a low

877
00:46:42,819 --> 00:46:39,529
period and with almost no activity then

878
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:42,829
it exploded and into activity so we're

879
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:45,410
going into a period in my assessment

880
00:46:52,839 --> 00:46:48,670
where the Sun is going through very

881
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:52,849
volatile changes both extremes up and

882
00:46:59,499 --> 00:46:55,250
down so what is going to happen

883
00:47:03,819 --> 00:46:59,509
ultimately we don't honestly know could

884
00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:03,829
we go back into a high sage yes but

885
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:07,400
before we go into an ice age could we

886
00:47:14,109 --> 00:47:11,150
have an explosive event on the Sun yes

887
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,119
also and I want to give you this is very

888
00:47:19,509 --> 00:47:16,400
new in my own research give you an

889
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:19,519
example of that so you know about the

890
00:47:23,319 --> 00:47:21,529
Younger Dryas I think that most of your

891
00:47:26,049 --> 00:47:23,329
audience knows about the Younger Dryas

892
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:26,059
correct that's right and the younger

893
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:28,430
dries is a twelve hundred year period at

894
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:31,450
the end of the last ice age that was

895
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:34,910
abnormally cool even by ice age

896
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:38,420
standards so the younger driest starts

897
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:40,609
at about ten thousand nine hundred BC

898
00:47:46,779 --> 00:47:44,599
the ice age ends at 9700 BC and that I

899
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:46,789
use the dates are based on ice cores

900
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:48,470
other people like to use throw other

901
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:50,630
dates around but I'm going to stick with

902
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:53,569
the ones I have and so many people have

903
00:47:57,609 --> 00:47:55,730
gone off on these tangents and I'm not

904
00:48:00,009 --> 00:47:57,619
trying to make a funny one but I have

905
00:48:02,589 --> 00:48:00,019
good evidence for what I'm saying that

906
00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:02,599
Oh was a comet that initiate the Younger

907
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:07,269
Dryas it was a cooling event that to me

908
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:10,430
does not hold up when you look at the

909
00:48:15,089 --> 00:48:13,970
data all the data that have looked at

910
00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:15,099
very carefully

911
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:18,600
everything from nano diamonds to scoria

912
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:22,410
etc etc is much more compatible with a

913
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:26,580
major solar event a major solar eruption

914
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:31,170
that caused a cooling period and how can

915
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:33,720
the Sun cause a cooling period at that

916
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:37,250
time you had major buildup of ice dams

917
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,130
etc on North America and with a solar

918
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:43,680
eruption you were broken and melted

919
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:45,690
those in that just in the last two years

920
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,970
there's been data that's come out that

921
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,720
that is exactly what happened it changed

922
00:48:57,260 --> 00:48:52,800
circulation patterns in the North

923
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:57,270
Atlantic etc and drove the earth into a

924
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:00,300
cooling period for about 1,200 years

925
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,200
before it was then snapped out at 9700

926
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:07,680
BC with another major even larger I

927
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,990
believe based on the data a solar

928
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:12,960
eruption that then ended the Ice Age

929
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,030
ultimately not only ended the Younger

930
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,160
Dryas but ended the last ice age and

931
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:19,560
interestingly Quebec elite Epping I know

932
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:22,650
that I shouldn't say gobekli tepe too

933
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,870
often because every time I say get back

934
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:27,300
wake up I realize that that might spark

935
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:29,160
something in your audience so I'll try

936
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:31,380
not to say go back leta pay more than I

937
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,780
have to say completely yeah don't say go

938
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:36,240
back we take a back way tap if I can

939
00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:36,810
avoid it

940
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:39,360
maybe if I say GT will that not count

941
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:41,970
you know what they have their rules that

942
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:44,370
they live by and I believe JT is an

943
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:48,870
acceptable term okay the point is in all

944
00:49:57,830 --> 00:49:52,550
seriousness Quebec Lee Teppei occurs at

945
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,840
spans 9700 BC and merely occurs the

946
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,480
culmination of Gobekli Tepe at the end

947
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:02,460
of the last ice age then we see evidence

948
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,000
of this final major solar event when I

949
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,040
say final major the one that ended the

950
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:11,280
Ice Age there so my point in the bigger

951
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:14,850
picture is that that period of time at

952
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:17,910
the end of the last ice age is very

953
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:20,550
similar to what we have now from

954
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:22,590
everything we can tell where we have a

955
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:25,830
very active very volatile Sun going

956
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:27,870
through periods of incredible activity

957
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:29,730
then it looks like it's going dormant

958
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:31,350
then it becomes very at

959
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:34,920
again and we and there's been number of

960
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,320
papers published and you know very

961
00:50:42,590 --> 00:50:39,300
reputable journals including nature and

962
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:42,600
hat astronomy and astrophysics etc that

963
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:44,970
the Sun is going through a period now

964
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:47,990
with more activity more volatility

965
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:51,450
overall than it has since the end of the

966
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:54,900
last ice age so I don't want people to

967
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:57,060
sit back and say oh the Sun is going to

968
00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:58,920
a grand minimum that means nothing's

969
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,050
going to happen in fact when it goes

970
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:03,720
into that period it's almost like now

971
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,670
used to serve anthropomorphic analogy

972
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:07,500
it's almost like it's holding its breath

973
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,490
or Baptist's knees but doesn't right and

974
00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:14,520
then eventually it lets it out and we

975
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:17,820
saw this actually in 1859 with a

976
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,000
Carrington event which all of a sudden

977
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:23,280
you had this huge outburst from the Sun

978
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:26,460
huge from a human perspective very minor

979
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:28,710
actually actually astrophysically in the

980
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,490
big picture of things 1859 Carrington

981
00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:34,680
event which occurred as one

982
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,470
astrophysicist described it in sort of a

983
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:41,040
dull ho-hum cycle of the Sun and all of

984
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,470
a sudden this big event occurs and that

985
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:45,480
seems to be the case there's now been

986
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:48,870
events that have been picked up

987
00:51:57,740 --> 00:51:54,750
isotopically and 5400 plus BC etc and

988
00:52:00,140 --> 00:51:57,750
they seem to correlate with again the

989
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:00,150
same thing being grand noon and then

990
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:02,490
event occurring a huge event occurring

991
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:06,210
on the Sun so we should be very very

992
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:10,070
careful when we think about this and not

993
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:14,460
draw some conclusions I've seen some

994
00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:15,960
people want to draw which is old you

995
00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:17,790
know the Sun is going to do nothing now

996
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:21,390
it's it's going to go in and be totally

997
00:52:28,850 --> 00:52:24,930
inactive no it could be very inactive

998
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:28,860
and then all of a sudden boom no what

999
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:31,860
does that do to questions what does that

1000
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:34,530
do with the stability of growing crops

1001
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:38,670
right even a few degrees lower nature

1002
00:52:42,769 --> 00:52:41,460
and nature is stable and is used to a

1003
00:52:46,099 --> 00:52:42,779
few things number one

1004
00:52:48,949 --> 00:52:46,109
and to what does this mean that the two

1005
00:52:51,289 --> 00:52:48,959
could offset each other the global

1006
00:52:53,659 --> 00:52:51,299
warming by a couple of degrees or a

1007
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:53,669
degree or half a degree and the grand

1008
00:52:58,299 --> 00:52:55,619
soul or minimum which could decrease

1009
00:53:00,919 --> 00:52:58,309
things by half a degree or a degree and

1010
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:00,929
we'll just meet somewhere in the middle

1011
00:53:05,449 --> 00:53:03,569
well you know what can we have you're

1012
00:53:07,699 --> 00:53:05,459
talking about oh they'll be a happy

1013
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:07,709
medium I believe that first I can

1014
00:53:12,739 --> 00:53:11,099
honestly write what because what you end

1015
00:53:15,140 --> 00:53:12,749
up getting and this ties in with what

1016
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:15,150
was just talking about what you get end

1017
00:53:23,539 --> 00:53:20,099
up getting is a lot of volatility and

1018
00:53:24,169 --> 00:53:23,549
you get cold hot cold hot that type of

1019
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:24,179
thing

1020
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:28,880
even now you get sometimes heat spells

1021
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:33,390
locally and cold snaps locally because

1022
00:53:39,169 --> 00:53:36,380
what's happening is your day a lot more

1023
00:53:41,449 --> 00:53:39,179
disruption in the atmospheric system and

1024
00:53:43,899 --> 00:53:41,459
in the global circulation system

1025
00:53:46,399 --> 00:53:43,909
including the oceans which moderates and

1026
00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:46,409
modulates temperature quite a bit so you

1027
00:53:54,529 --> 00:53:50,789
you get a lot of again how use the term

1028
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,539
volatility and change and what you want

1029
00:54:00,919 --> 00:53:57,119
for growing seasons nice growing seasons

1030
00:54:04,279 --> 00:54:00,929
is regularity you don't want all of a

1031
00:54:06,649 --> 00:54:04,289
sudden hot cold hot cold hot cold hot

1032
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:06,659
cold you don't all of a sudden like warm

1033
00:54:12,799 --> 00:54:09,689
dry warm dry in terms of precipitation

1034
00:54:16,099 --> 00:54:12,809
and rain and what we're getting now is a

1035
00:54:19,099 --> 00:54:16,109
lot of volatility look at what happened

1036
00:54:23,179 --> 00:54:19,109
was it's these dams that just broke in

1037
00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:23,189
Michigan yes in the news today right and

1038
00:54:28,099 --> 00:54:26,189
that was because of too much rain right

1039
00:54:30,259 --> 00:54:28,109
as I understand it and all of a sudden

1040
00:54:35,019 --> 00:54:30,269
you know that just couldn't hold it the

1041
00:54:38,779 --> 00:54:35,029
ground gets absolutely soaked etc etc so

1042
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:38,789
you don't want these extremes you don't

1043
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:41,369
want these changes back and forth you

1044
00:54:48,409 --> 00:54:45,119
want nice moderate consistency

1045
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,419
especially not just for growing seasons

1046
00:54:53,209 --> 00:54:50,400
for natural ecosystems natural

1047
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,219
ecosystems can handle things better but

1048
00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:56,160
we don't use natural ecosystems to raise

1049
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,270
food nowadays we do agriculture we do

1050
00:55:06,010 --> 00:55:02,940
our official agriculture was so much

1051
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:06,020
monocropping big business big industry

1052
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:09,450
agriculture and the slightest little

1053
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:11,910
blip can just wipe that out completely

1054
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:15,089
the season is a little too long little

1055
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:17,250
too cold a little too dry a little too

1056
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:21,660
hot and you know where we are at a very

1057
00:55:27,289 --> 00:55:25,680
weak humans with you know seven what is

1058
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,299
it seven point six seven point seven

1059
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,520
billion or whatever I don't even think

1060
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:31,319
we actually know how many humans are on

1061
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:33,030
earth because the sum of the counts

1062
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:37,140
maybe under Counting but somewhere in

1063
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:40,940
that range approaching eight billion I

1064
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:43,890
mean we're just stretching everything to

1065
00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:47,520
the limits and again I don't want to

1066
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:49,589
sound the wrong way but this covet

1067
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:53,069
nineteen issue in America right now I

1068
00:56:00,529 --> 00:55:57,170
think shows how we just don't have the

1069
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:00,539
stockpiles and resources everything has

1070
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:04,170
gone to just on just-in-time produce it

1071
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:05,130
just as quickly

1072
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:08,339
only as quickly as you need it etc we

1073
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,049
don't have we don't have the backup in

1074
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:16,799
the support and the the stocks on hand

1075
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:19,559
if something fails yeah and that's a

1076
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:22,049
price very much to the food supply yeah

1077
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:23,670
it's not it's a very it's a very

1078
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:26,190
sobering wake-up call if there's there's

1079
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:28,619
no question about that and how not only

1080
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:33,180
how fragile the ecosystem is but it lets

1081
00:56:39,799 --> 00:56:36,410
us know that we absolutely is as

1082
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:39,809
advanced as we like to think we are we

1083
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:42,690
don't have any control we don't have any

1084
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:45,480
control the earth the Sun whatever

1085
00:56:50,539 --> 00:56:48,930
nature is always going to do what it

1086
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wants to do you don't have convey

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exactly exactly and and I do want to

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stress once again you the the ecosystems

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are the ecosystems are very very fragile

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but natural ecosystems can be fragile

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the human created artificial ecosystems

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that we call

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agriculture etc are even more fragile

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and then we're doing all kinds of stupid

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things like destroying the base of the

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terrestrial ecosystems what I'm

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referring to a soil I was talking to

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Katie my wife you knew Kate you know

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Katie we were talking about this I think

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just yesterday perhaps where

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studies have shown are have calculated

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that we only have a few decades left

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00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:38,430
worth of soil the way we're going at it

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00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:40,440
and the log that has to do with

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00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:43,859
glyphosate and pollution and artificial

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00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:46,230
you know pesticides electrocytes one of

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00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:50,430
the big ones roundup well yeah we're

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just you know this is a great segue

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we're gonna head to a break right here

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00:58:00,529 --> 00:57:59,000
but this is a great segue into not only

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gobekli tepe

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but the origins of Gobekli Tepe and the

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ending of the construction of Gobekli

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Tepe everything is connected our guest

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tonight dr. Robert Schoch let's take our

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break right here I am their host Jimmy

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Church it's our gobekli tepe

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special event stay right there we'll be

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right back dr. Robert M shock his

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website is right there at immaturity of

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calm and click on it

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and my email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I am Errol

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shimmy Church tonight our gobekli tepe

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01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:54,060
special event with dr. Robert M shock

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:03:56,170
want to remind everybody tomorrow

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01:04:01,500 --> 01:03:59,410
night's Linda Moulton Howe will be here

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I'm going to talk about Oliver ladies

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research with coronavirus and co vid 19

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but tonight it is dr. Robert I'm shocked

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now Robert you just got back from what

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01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:14,260
is now modern-day Turkey and the sight

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01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:16,390
in their echo Beckley Tepe where you

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01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,780
were shooting a documentary and why

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01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:22,240
don't you tell us about that and and

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01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:25,840
what is the basis of the documentary

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okay

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that sounds that sounds very good and

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01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:31,000
before I do I just wanted to mention I

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01:04:35,070 --> 01:04:32,830
know you said that people could connect

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01:04:37,980 --> 01:04:35,080
to my website from yours which is great

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:37,990
but in case they have problems or if

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:40,930
they was no my website I can I put that

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01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:45,610
in its short shock our OBE RT s CH o CH

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01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:48,670
calm and I mentioned that specifically

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01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:51,760
because if they go there the first tab

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01:04:57,870 --> 01:04:54,700
or the first promo button on it will

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01:05:01,470 --> 01:04:57,880
take them to a trailer just under three

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01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:01,480
minutes troller based on the filming

1258
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:05,430
that we did in January of this year at a

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01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:08,170
turkey including some shots of Gobekli

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01:05:14,550 --> 01:05:11,950
Tepe so we were there in January just

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01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,560
before the kovat virus hit it was

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01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:16,000
actually I guess starting to spread

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01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:18,220
internationally while we were there but

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01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:20,740
we got back and got back into New York

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01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:23,140
just before the big you know the hubbub

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01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:27,220
over it so that was good timing but bad

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01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:29,020
timing because I was hoping to be in

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01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:32,770
Egypt and elsewhere instead of no no

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01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:35,320
offense Jimmy so instead of speaking to

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01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:39,450
you I'm trying to be in Egypt right now

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working on the documentary also but of

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course Cova intervened now how has well

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are you when you arrived at gobekli tepe

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01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:52,360
how has it changed since the your first

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01:05:58,590 --> 01:05:56,500
visits there yeah so it has changed

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01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:58,600
dramatically and before I get to that I

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want to

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say that the documentary the working

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01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:02,990
title for which I think will be the

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01:06:09,609 --> 01:06:06,319
final title is civilization before

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01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:09,619
civilization which sounds like it's

1282
01:06:14,829 --> 01:06:12,140
almost a misnomer but what I'm referring

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01:06:18,190 --> 01:06:14,839
to or what we're referring to is that

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01:06:20,739 --> 01:06:18,200
this was a psycho civilization represent

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01:06:23,529 --> 01:06:20,749
by Quebec elite at bay and the Sphinx

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01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,539
and other sites that ended with the end

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01:06:29,289 --> 01:06:26,240
of the last ice age which is separated

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by six thousand years seven six to seven

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01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:31,970
thousand years of what I call solar

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01:06:39,009 --> 01:06:35,210
induced dark age or Siddha before

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civilization re-emerged so that's the

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name of the documentary civilization

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01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:44,089
before civilization and the rationale

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01:06:51,789 --> 01:06:49,039
behind it so Quebec we kept a represents

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01:06:54,730 --> 01:06:51,799
that earlier cycle of civilization and

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when I first visited Quebec meet up a

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and that was a wonderful trip because

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John Anthony West came with Katie and I

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we saw the site it was basically you

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know you went out into the fields there

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and you walked up to it and there were

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no facilities modern facilities that

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type of thing

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01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:15,049
Klaus Schmidt was still alive he showed

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us this site here it was actually just

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leaving in a sense of they were shutting

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01:07:24,460 --> 01:07:22,460
down for the hot season of the summer

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and we got there I think was late in May

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01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:27,559
and the last day or so when they were

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actually still on site so he showed us

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01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:34,460
around briefly and it was wonderful you

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01:07:40,479 --> 01:07:37,460
could just look out over this site it

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01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,489
was not as quite as excavated as as it

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01:07:45,759 --> 01:07:42,799
is now but you could look over it it was

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01:07:47,979 --> 01:07:45,769
not covered over over the years since

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01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,989
I've been going back and forth they put

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different types of coverings over it

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01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:52,789
they had at one point some of the

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01:07:59,859 --> 01:07:56,089
pillars actually boxed up with crates to

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01:08:04,839 --> 01:07:59,869
protect them they had a very low at one

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01:08:08,049 --> 01:08:04,849
point sort of wood and metal roof over

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:08,059
it now what they have is actually a

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01:08:14,550 --> 01:08:12,130
quite beautiful serve tent like

1324
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:14,560
structure over it if I could describe it

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01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:17,650
that way it's open on the sides but

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:22,150
covers and over on the top to protect it

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01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:24,250
from the Sun to a certain extent to

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01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:26,920
protect it from rain to a certain extent

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01:08:33,210 --> 01:08:29,980
and they've built a very elaborate visit

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01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:33,220
EES Visitor Center for it that type of

1331
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:36,880
thing and Katy is actually reminding me

1332
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:42,820
that if people go to my website and they

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01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:44,980
look at what's called the Siddha article

1334
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:47,470
and scroll down they can see some

1335
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,310
pictures that we took in January of the

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01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:52,960
modern covering so they've done a very

1337
01:08:58,110 --> 01:08:56,140
nice job with it because they know that

1338
01:08:59,460 --> 01:08:58,120
they have something very very important

1339
01:09:00,990 --> 01:08:59,470
there and as I said they now have

1340
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:01,000
facilities you can actually use the

1341
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:04,020
toilet the thing when you go to visit it

1342
01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:07,120
and they have not turned it into a

1343
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:10,870
mutant park type of situation which i

1344
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:16,150
think is good some ancient sites they

1345
01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:19,770
end up I think over doing it as far as

1346
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:22,450
the tourist aspect and it's still an

1347
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:25,600
ongoing site archaeological site that's

1348
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,230
being excavated to this day a very small

1349
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,120
percentage of it only a very small

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01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,480
percent has been excavated so something

1351
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:36,960
that I think we all need to keep in mind

1352
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:40,410
with any type of preliminary

1353
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:42,790
interpretations of this incredibly

1354
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:47,770
sophisticated site is that it is not

1355
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:50,530
cool to excavate in fact it's not even

1356
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,630
half ask excavate it's not even a

1357
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:55,380
quarter to this day a lot of people

1358
01:10:02,370 --> 01:09:59,200
estimate based on the geophysics of how

1359
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:02,380
many stone enclosures are there how many

1360
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:06,220
circles of these megalithic stones might

1361
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:09,690
be there based on geophysics that only

1362
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:14,770
5% or so may have been uncovered and you

1363
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:18,070
look out from Quebec we kept a and all

1364
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:21,750
these other hills around there which

1365
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:24,430
cost MIT I remember him saying this very

1366
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:25,790
distinctly he

1367
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:27,770
not that many of those if not all of

1368
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,460
them were other artificial no mountains

1369
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:33,280
if you would though hills and mountains

1370
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:36,620
that have sites under them and so far

1371
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:39,710
it's been demonstrated with preliminary

1372
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:42,230
studies that he may well be right so

1373
01:10:49,420 --> 01:10:45,050
we're talking a huge complex going back

1374
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:49,430
12,000 years and it on so many levels

1375
01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:51,650
just boggles the mind

1376
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:55,400
well with gobekli tepe and we're let's

1377
01:11:01,000 --> 01:10:57,710
let's actually start the conversation

1378
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:01,010
here its location is modern-day Turkey

1379
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:06,050
but historically speaking it is located

1380
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:09,590
in the middle of the Armenian highlands

1381
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:14,510
and which stretched a you know from sea

1382
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:18,920
to sea right from east to west across a

1383
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:21,680
huge swath right there of the Middle

1384
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:25,490
East and and you know bordering to the

1385
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:30,790
north which would be another section of

1386
01:11:37,690 --> 01:11:34,460
what is now modern-day Russia or the

1387
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:37,700
Soviet Union and even China but that

1388
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:42,530
being said historically that is the

1389
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:44,930
foundation and everybody wants to know

1390
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:48,080
who built it well we have to look at the

1391
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:50,750
civilizations that were there and what

1392
01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:53,570
has resulted since then over the last

1393
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,870
eleven thousand years don't we yeah and

1394
01:12:03,970 --> 01:11:59,360
see I think you bring up a couple of

1395
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:03,980
interesting points historically I don't

1396
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:06,410
disagree with you that that was part of

1397
01:12:12,730 --> 01:12:10,790
that region but then historically so

1398
01:12:15,130 --> 01:12:12,740
many other people have tried to claim it

1399
01:12:17,740 --> 01:12:15,140
too just so everyone knows and I think

1400
01:12:20,290 --> 01:12:17,750
your audience knows gobekli tepe

1401
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:20,300
is in modern Turkey of course in Quebec

1402
01:12:27,730 --> 01:12:23,510
we got B as a Turkish name for it the

1403
01:12:30,370 --> 01:12:27,740
Armenians tend to use a different term

1404
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:30,380
for they tend to call it porches are if

1405
01:12:34,090 --> 01:12:32,630
I'm pronouncing that correctly but

1406
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:34,100
essentially the two terms mean

1407
01:12:38,839 --> 01:12:37,690
essentially the same thing can be

1408
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:38,849
transferred

1409
01:12:46,069 --> 01:12:43,920
as naval or Heil with a naval referring

1410
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:46,079
to it as being some kind of Center or

1411
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,710
origin very similar to um phallus at

1412
01:12:54,859 --> 01:12:52,320
Delphi the Greek concept of the nave or

1413
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:54,869
the center of the world

1414
01:13:01,700 --> 01:12:58,920
so it's carried a lot of search should

1415
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:01,710
we say sacred religious significance for

1416
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:05,250
people in recent times but I want to get

1417
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:07,820
back to and this ties in with the

1418
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,630
documentary and I'm not trying to push

1419
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:11,280
the documentary right now although I'd

1420
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:13,170
love people to contribute to it because

1421
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,670
we need to raise money for the

1422
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:16,500
educational documentary and it's a

1423
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:18,570
nonprofit that we're doing it with

1424
01:13:25,129 --> 01:13:23,010
Oracle Oracle for Oracle's organization

1425
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,139
for the research of ancient cultures but

1426
01:13:30,859 --> 01:13:27,920
game back to the documentaries title its

1427
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:30,869
civilization before civilization so

1428
01:13:36,379 --> 01:13:33,540
everything that most people think in

1429
01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:36,389
terms of Armenians or Turkish or could

1430
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:41,000
stand or Syria and I was about to say

1431
01:13:47,839 --> 01:13:45,030
Quebec Lee today is very close to the

1432
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:47,849
Syrian border when you're at the Beckley

1433
01:13:53,089 --> 01:13:50,940
Taipei on if you know what you're

1434
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:53,099
looking at you can see structures in

1435
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,770
Syria when you look so that's how close

1436
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,560
it is to the modern Syrian border so

1437
01:14:04,879 --> 01:14:01,679
it's in this part of the world that so

1438
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,889
many different civilizations have tried

1439
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:07,679
to claim over time and you know they've

1440
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:11,130
invaded and reinvade etcetera etc so I'm

1441
01:14:14,569 --> 01:14:13,260
not Jimmy I'm not denying anything you

1442
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:14,579
just said because you're absolutely

1443
01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:16,860
correct but the point I really want to

1444
01:14:23,899 --> 01:14:20,550
make is that this all of those ethnic

1445
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:23,909
groups and civilizations are from the

1446
01:14:29,569 --> 01:14:26,460
round of civilization the current

1447
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:29,579
civilization as I see it as a geologist

1448
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,270
at last five thousand years when we then

1449
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:36,300
push back to before the end of the last

1450
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:39,750
ice age another another seven thousand

1451
01:14:44,629 --> 01:14:42,210
years I don't know what those people

1452
01:14:47,839 --> 01:14:44,639
call to themselves I don't know what

1453
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:47,849
terms they were thinking in in terms of

1454
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:50,760
their ethnicity or their nationality

1455
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:52,290
that type of thing

1456
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:54,570
and I do think there's a lot of evidence

1457
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,080
that some of the traditions carried on

1458
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:00,960
through time carried through that dark

1459
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:03,990
period from the end of the last ice age

1460
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:06,690
and the fall of the earlier cycle of

1461
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:10,440
civilization that ended 9700 BC or there

1462
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:13,410
abouts there were traditions and we're

1463
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:15,300
glimmerings there were things that were

1464
01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:18,900
carried through during that solar

1465
01:15:27,230 --> 01:15:22,160
induced Dark Age thats period of Siddha

1466
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:27,240
Andry sparked civilization in northern

1467
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:28,860
mesopotamia which is what we're talking

1468
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:33,270
about and then it's spread and i agree

1469
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:36,330
with all that but when you start pushing

1470
01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:38,370
the boundaries back to the end of the

1471
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:40,680
last ice age i don't know who they were

1472
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:42,630
or what they were i have the same issue

1473
01:15:47,180 --> 01:15:44,610
with egypt are not the same issue people

1474
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:47,190
had the same issue with me that the

1475
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:49,530
Sphinx the origins of the Sphinx and it

1476
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:52,050
was a lioness not a sphinx originally

1477
01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:55,650
going back to the end of the last ice

1478
01:16:00,170 --> 01:15:58,680
age and just before that people have

1479
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:00,180
said oh when you know where the

1480
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:01,890
Egyptians are were they not Egyptians

1481
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:04,410
well they were in what we now call Egypt

1482
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:07,340
but what terms were they using then what

1483
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:10,020
boundaries were they using

1484
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:15,030
I just don't know so well okay it's

1485
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:17,280
interesting I think when we trace these

1486
01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:20,940
things back it's I like to think of it

1487
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:23,880
as we want unify ourselves that this is

1488
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:26,280
a global heritage that's important to

1489
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,290
all of us when we start to unpack the

1490
01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:34,320
symbolism that is all over gobekli tepe

1491
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:36,660
one of the greatest parts about gobekli

1492
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:41,100
tepe is there is stuff there that is

1493
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:45,690
saying something to us today we we we

1494
01:16:51,730 --> 01:16:48,510
may not fully understand it today but

1495
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:51,740
that symbolism has radiated out

1496
01:16:56,510 --> 01:16:54,120
throughout the world you can find the

1497
01:16:59,720 --> 01:16:56,520
same symbolism all around the planet

1498
01:17:02,600 --> 01:16:59,730
and it all you know the origins the

1499
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:02,610
proximate or for a lot of this certainly

1500
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:05,730
appears to be gobekli tepe and

1501
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:09,239
that region and it would indicate a

1502
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:12,150
strong organization and knowledge of a

1503
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:14,340
lot of different things not only Jian

1504
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:17,310
geometry and engineering and quarrying

1505
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:20,910
and construction but it's cosmology and

1506
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:24,150
some type of belief system call it a

1507
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:28,530
religion or what have you it seemed to

1508
01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:33,510
be very strong in intelligence which a

1509
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:35,460
Stone Age man wasn't supposed to have

1510
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:39,900
right oh I think that we have when I say

1511
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,290
we not you and I and people listening to

1512
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:46,560
this show but I'm talking we in a sense

1513
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:51,510
of the broad you know we academia has so

1514
01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:54,930
long and I have been opposing this now

1515
01:18:03,640 --> 01:17:58,860
for decades I as you know personally my

1516
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:03,650
story that they have underestimated the

1517
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:06,780
intelligence the sophistication the

1518
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:11,310
abilities of people ten twelve thousand

1519
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:13,380
and more years ago and you're absolutely

1520
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:17,370
right we see in the region of Quebec we

1521
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:20,040
tap a and gobekli tepe itself this

1522
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:23,450
centre of learning of knowledge of

1523
01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:25,860
activity that is so incredibly

1524
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:29,190
sophisticated and we see remnants of

1525
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:33,150
that and symbolism from it etc and I

1526
01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:35,730
think even spreading throughout not just

1527
01:18:39,979 --> 01:18:37,470
the Middle East but spreading throughout

1528
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:39,989
the world from it it's interesting when

1529
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:41,870
people talk about this and talk about

1530
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:45,330
centers and origins and things going

1531
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:49,380
back so far in time the classic response

1532
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:53,250
from the academics has been that it

1533
01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:54,870
can't be that that goes against

1534
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:56,670
conventional thinking it goes against

1535
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:57,510
the paradigm

1536
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:00,840
I interviewed are we interviewed I

1537
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:04,530
should say for our documentary professor

1538
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:07,260
at Harvard in February just before kovat

1539
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,100
hit as soon as we got back from from

1540
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:13,920
Quebec we tap a about these things his

1541
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:17,130
name is Professor Michael wit cell

1542
01:19:21,380 --> 01:19:19,680
and he wrote a book called Ando let me

1543
01:19:24,710 --> 01:19:21,390
try get right on the origins of the

1544
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:24,720
world's mythologies and on the origins

1545
01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:27,900
of the world's mythologies and one thing

1546
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:30,870
he contends and I'd come to the same

1547
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:33,630
conclusion independently but he really

1548
01:19:38,780 --> 01:19:36,840
laid it out he's a that's his field

1549
01:19:43,730 --> 01:19:38,790
looking at those types of things and

1550
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:43,740
looking at Sanskrit etc etc how you can

1551
01:19:50,830 --> 01:19:47,520
trace back core commonalities to well

1552
01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:50,840
before the end of the last ice age and

1553
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,840
that didn't all just happened in the

1554
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:56,640
last five thousand years but you can

1555
01:20:01,730 --> 01:19:59,520
trace back all these things to an early

1556
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:01,740
period when you look at the legends and

1557
01:20:05,540 --> 01:20:03,510
myths or whatever you want to call them

1558
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,550
many of which I think are not so

1559
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:07,440
mythical they're based on a real

1560
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:09,450
foundation and then what you were just

1561
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:11,820
saying I hundred percent agree with the

1562
01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:14,520
symbolism that you can trace back and

1563
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:17,100
then you can see remnants of it right up

1564
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,320
to the modern day or are they you know

1565
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:24,480
are continuations of these things right

1566
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:26,670
up to the modern day so we have been so

1567
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:29,850
influenced by them I want to point out

1568
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:32,250
that when you go to Shanley or four or

1569
01:20:36,980 --> 01:20:34,590
five it's as it's known the city of

1570
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:36,990
Eartha there's a beautiful museum there

1571
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:42,110
incredible modern museum that has

1572
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:44,730
artifacts from Quebec Lita pay and they

1573
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:46,830
also have dioramas where they

1574
01:20:50,780 --> 01:20:49,110
reconstruct what the Quebec adeptly

1575
01:20:53,660 --> 01:20:50,790
people were doing you know they show

1576
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:53,670
some of them cutting out the pillars

1577
01:21:00,640 --> 01:20:56,730
that type of thing right and they make

1578
01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:00,650
them look like these primitive caveman

1579
01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:03,480
it's really and I'm not trying to make

1580
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:05,580
fun of anyone but it's just not the way

1581
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:08,880
I see it so they sort dump them down and

1582
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:11,580
they call them hunters gatherers

1583
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:14,400
on what basis I can talk about on what

1584
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:17,310
basis they say that but I disagree with

1585
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:23,400
it and they have a tendency to sort of

1586
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,090
play up that they were primitive that

1587
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:30,480
they fit what people think

1588
01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:32,970
academics have wanted to make of them in

1589
01:21:38,150 --> 01:21:35,550
the past yet when you look at the Quebec

1590
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:38,160
elite up a sculptures or you look at

1591
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:40,170
this sculpture that was found in earth

1592
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:43,530
during a construction project that is a

1593
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:47,610
human life-sized human statue going back

1594
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,890
to Quebec wheat up eight times 12,000

1595
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:51,840
years ago it's commonly called Bertha

1596
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:55,170
man and there's actually you can see it

1597
01:21:58,930 --> 01:21:56,670
on the little trailer there

1598
01:22:03,620 --> 01:21:58,940
I mean he's incredibly sophisticated

1599
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,630
he's not some hairy you know cavemen and

1600
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,280
this is how they depicted themselves

1601
01:22:09,740 --> 01:22:07,440
they were carving sculptures of

1602
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:09,750
themselves and it's very different what

1603
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:10,739
they're telling us

1604
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:13,980
bluntly and directly with what has

1605
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,570
survived is very different than the and

1606
01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:20,400
academic preconceptions that certain

1607
01:22:26,780 --> 01:22:23,190
people won't let go of no they won't the

1608
01:22:29,690 --> 01:22:26,790
dogma is is so entrenched and here is

1609
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:29,700
here is what is so interesting I mean

1610
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:31,260
they're gonna have to change those

1611
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:37,620
dioramas all right well we just the

1612
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:42,120
recent research that was released a

1613
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:43,830
couple of weeks ago very excited about

1614
01:22:51,140 --> 01:22:48,750
this from Israel stating quite clearly

1615
01:22:53,210 --> 01:22:51,150
after they've run the computer

1616
01:22:56,990 --> 01:22:53,220
simulations on the constructions of

1617
01:23:02,180 --> 01:22:57,000
Gobekli Tepe that a thorough

1618
01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:02,190
understanding of geometry was used in

1619
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:05,700
the construction of Gobekli Tepe the the

1620
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:12,600
the cavemen are not are not doing that

1621
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:17,450
no cavemen are not blaming these

1622
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:20,880
incredible megalithic structures with

1623
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:27,360
precise layouts orientations etc etc in

1624
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:31,890
fact this is to me so much harking back

1625
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:34,500
to the arguments about the Giza Plateau

1626
01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:37,080
it used to you know the clubs the

1627
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:39,060
classic view back in the 19th century

1628
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:41,610
the Giza Plateau with the Great Pyramid

1629
01:23:43,940 --> 01:23:42,120
and

1630
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:43,950
Fink's in the second pyramid third

1631
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:45,540
pyramid is that you know it's just a

1632
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:47,070
bunch of primitives they threw up a

1633
01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:49,590
pyramid here this rapid pyramid they're

1634
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:51,750
randomly there's no real relationship

1635
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:55,650
between them eccentric cetera and in my

1636
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:57,890
opinion that has been so thoroughly

1637
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,020
disproven including my colleague of

1638
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:02,880
course Robert Bauval pointing out the

1639
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:05,790
Orion correlations and as a side note we

1640
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:07,950
have writing correlations that gobekli

1641
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:11,850
tepe to from the same period before of

1642
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:14,280
course I think most of your audience

1643
01:24:21,650 --> 01:24:16,850
would know this found Orion correlations

1644
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:21,660
that fit best about 10,500 BC so the end

1645
01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:25,650
of the last ice age so at Giza and I'm

1646
01:24:29,210 --> 01:24:27,630
just playing this in historical context

1647
01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:29,220
there was all these arguments about

1648
01:24:36,260 --> 01:24:31,200
whether there was a grand master plan

1649
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:36,270
for Giza and I think it's indisputable

1650
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:39,000
now that there was and now we're seeing

1651
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:41,100
the evidence which I never doubt it to

1652
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,860
be honest that yes things that gobekli

1653
01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:45,780
tepe were planned were planned in

1654
01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:48,120
advance when they built one structure

1655
01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:50,100
and then built another structure they

1656
01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:52,020
looked at the first structure they built

1657
01:24:58,420 --> 01:24:54,600
and they oriented things relative to it

1658
01:25:03,290 --> 01:24:58,430
etc but yeah this is not primitive and

1659
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:03,300
also I think you have to assume or have

1660
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:05,010
to understand that they've had to be

1661
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:08,820
passing down information and plans etc

1662
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:12,510
and this implies even if we did have

1663
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:14,670
even if we did not have evidence

1664
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,230
otherwise which we do have evidence

1665
01:25:20,690 --> 01:25:18,480
otherwise that they would have been

1666
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:20,700
literate they had writing they had some

1667
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:24,120
kind of way of recording things yes you

1668
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:26,580
can remember a lot and pass down a lot

1669
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:28,890
verbally that has been demonstrated but

1670
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:32,610
I have no doubt there was a lot more to

1671
01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:34,710
the gobekli tepe people there were a lot

1672
01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:37,500
more sophisticated than my academic

1673
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:41,750
colleagues have ever wanted to admit now

1674
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:44,280
we're gonna head towards a break here

1675
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:51,840
but how advanced of civilization are we

1676
01:25:58,500 --> 01:25:55,210
are we actually talking about here

1677
01:26:00,660 --> 01:25:58,510
mean how advanced they are because we're

1678
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:00,670
talking about cosmology we're talking

1679
01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:02,410
about an understanding of the Stars and

1680
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:05,560
zodiac and of course the engineering

1681
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:08,640
aspects but we have agriculture

1682
01:26:13,410 --> 01:26:11,620
organization some type of religion or

1683
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:13,420
belief system was in place

1684
01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:15,430
they understood governments and it

1685
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:18,430
appears that math came in very strong to

1686
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,150
as well

1687
01:26:22,940 --> 01:26:21,040
all of these things weren't supposed to

1688
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:22,950
happen for another seven thousand years

1689
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:26,710
clearly they were how advanced are we

1690
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:27,670
talking here

1691
01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:30,070
is it as separate is it a separate

1692
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,030
situation that came later what do you

1693
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,920
mean by separate is a separate

1694
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:38,080
civilization that was already there and

1695
01:26:44,010 --> 01:26:41,710
advanced and and upright and running and

1696
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:44,020
then possibly went away and then was

1697
01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:45,490
kick-started yeah later

1698
01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:49,620
yeah yeah yeah no I think I would okay

1699
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,260
at Quebec Lee Tepe I think we have at

1700
01:26:59,850 --> 01:26:55,360
its height just before it was wiped out

1701
01:27:01,710 --> 01:26:59,860
by the devastated by the events of the

1702
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:01,720
end of the last ice age and we cannot

1703
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:06,310
underestimate how bad the events at the

1704
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:08,590
end of the last ice age were with a huge

1705
01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:11,410
solar outburst and temperature changes

1706
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:14,860
climate changes radiation incredible

1707
01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:17,890
flooding because of all the moisture

1708
01:27:22,770 --> 01:27:19,780
that was put into the atmosphere rising

1709
01:27:25,410 --> 01:27:22,780
zero I mean was a devastating time but

1710
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:25,420
before that just before that we had

1711
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:28,630
incredible flourishing civilization and

1712
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:30,790
we have that represent at Quebec elite

1713
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:32,260
at bay and I think that they were

1714
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:34,270
incredibly advanced all the things that

1715
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,550
you just said I would add literacy and

1716
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:38,320
we should talk about that maybe after

1717
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:40,510
the break sure they were literate I

1718
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:42,670
think they actually knew what we would

1719
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:45,310
now call plasma physics plasma physics

1720
01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:46,780
talking about electrically charged

1721
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:50,440
particles that come off of the Sun for

1722
01:27:54,990 --> 01:27:53,170
instance during solar eruptions etc

1723
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:55,000
which frankly would have been important

1724
01:28:00,480 --> 01:27:57,850
to them so this is not a surprise to me

1725
01:28:03,150 --> 01:28:00,490
that a would have wanted to learn about

1726
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:03,160
it and understand things maybe from even

1727
01:28:07,970 --> 01:28:05,050
practical experience of things that they

1728
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:07,980
had experienced through their

1729
01:28:13,970 --> 01:28:10,230
I think they were keeping very very

1730
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:13,980
accurate records of things you know I do

1731
01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:16,290
think sometimes it's worth thinking in

1732
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:19,620
terms of analogies if our civilization

1733
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,290
is totally destroyed and then people

1734
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:24,000
come back twelve thousand years later

1735
01:28:29,419 --> 01:28:26,460
and look at parts of Manhattan or

1736
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:29,429
whatnot and they just find a couple of

1737
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:31,890
huge whatever you call you know the big

1738
01:28:39,229 --> 01:28:35,850
big block letters that were maybe on

1739
01:28:41,450 --> 01:28:39,239
some monument being what they know what

1740
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:41,460
would they make of our civilization

1741
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:44,489
right yes and what they even think that

1742
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:46,350
those were letters in writing or what

1743
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:48,120
they say that's all just some kind of

1744
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,570
you know fancy design are not even so

1745
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,840
fancy designed or they could they

1746
01:29:01,160 --> 01:28:57,120
extrapolate everything about us just

1747
01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:01,170
from that well clearly no they that's

1748
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:04,140
what I think we have we have to be

1749
01:29:09,709 --> 01:29:07,260
careful and not underestimate I think we

1750
01:29:13,459 --> 01:29:09,719
tend to under we've not you and I but

1751
01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:13,469
the academia I'll talk said that way has

1752
01:29:20,959 --> 01:29:17,100
to underestimate how advanced these

1753
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:20,969
people were yet it seems a little

1754
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:24,449
ridiculous to me just trying to give one

1755
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,770
quick example because I guess we're

1756
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:28,020
going into a break yeah I was really one

1757
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:32,489
paper and there was a commentary on it

1758
01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:34,410
where they were saying if you found

1759
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:38,820
certain little plaques and stones and

1760
01:29:43,459 --> 01:29:41,640
whatnot with engravings on them had they

1761
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:43,469
these have been found at Quebec we kept

1762
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:45,810
a and people just dismiss them as some

1763
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:46,980
kind of oh you know they were just

1764
01:29:53,959 --> 01:29:50,280
scratchy on rocks etc etc if you found

1765
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:53,969
them 8,000 9,000 years later in the

1766
01:30:00,500 --> 01:29:58,320
context of say assumer sumerian context

1767
01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:00,510
you would recognize immediately as

1768
01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:02,790
writing that these were little tokens

1769
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,440
with you know writing our little

1770
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:06,960
receipts that type of thing yet because

1771
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:09,000
it's so old people don't even what

1772
01:30:13,459 --> 01:30:11,250
certain archaeologists don't even want

1773
01:30:15,770 --> 01:30:13,469
to think in those terms yeah and that's

1774
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:15,780
the problem that we have today so yeah

1775
01:30:21,260 --> 01:30:18,330
they just dismiss what potential

1776
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:21,270
evidence outright as impossible because

1777
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:21,780
oh there

1778
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:24,960
so old we know quote-unquote I've heard

1779
01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:27,630
that so many times in my career we know

1780
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:30,179
that's impossible let's take our break

1781
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:32,010
right here our guest tonight Robert M

1782
01:30:36,850 --> 01:30:33,210
shock

1783
01:30:39,410 --> 01:30:36,860
it's our gobekli tepe special event and

1784
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:39,420
dr. Schaack I'll let you know the

1785
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:43,920
gobekli tepe count is up to 49 now it's

1786
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:59,899
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01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:24,930
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1866
01:35:29,060 --> 01:35:26,550
church our guest tonight dr. Robert M

1867
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:29,070
shock this is our annual gobekli tepe

1868
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:33,300
special events and this is where we're

1869
01:35:37,330 --> 01:35:34,290
gonna go now

1870
01:35:42,010 --> 01:35:37,340
and I want I want everybody to just

1871
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:42,020
digest what I am about to say that

1872
01:35:47,710 --> 01:35:44,760
especially here in the United States we

1873
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:47,720
don't have a concept of history here

1874
01:35:53,450 --> 01:35:51,360
history to us is how old is the

1875
01:35:55,190 --> 01:35:53,460
McDonald's down the street and when it

1876
01:35:58,660 --> 01:35:55,200
was built we don't have a concept of

1877
01:36:02,900 --> 01:35:58,670
history it's a country that's barely 200

1878
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:02,910
years old but in in that part of the

1879
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:05,040
world around gobekli tepe

1880
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:07,770
and certainly Egypt and Mesopotamia and

1881
01:36:14,420 --> 01:36:11,040
Persia and and heading over to Armenia

1882
01:36:16,610 --> 01:36:14,430
things are really old and when you can

1883
01:36:21,980 --> 01:36:16,620
look in your backyard and look at Mount

1884
01:36:24,620 --> 01:36:21,990
Ararat and talk about Noah you're in a

1885
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:24,630
place on this planet that is really old

1886
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:28,400
and these traditions in history go back

1887
01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:32,190
10,000 years and way beyond that point

1888
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:35,100
and this is something that the the

1889
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:38,340
people in those regions fully understand

1890
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:42,000
we don't have a concept here in in the

1891
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:43,920
United States and in the modern world it

1892
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:46,530
just doesn't work that way that being

1893
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:50,970
said there are things that stem off of

1894
01:36:59,720 --> 01:36:55,320
gobekli tepe that reach into ancient

1895
01:37:02,300 --> 01:36:59,730
Sumer the tales of Gilgamesh the great

1896
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:02,310
flood things that dr. Schaack you've

1897
01:37:06,980 --> 01:37:04,170
been talking about for a long time and

1898
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:06,990
and and certainly Graham Hancock and

1899
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,140
Robert Bauval and others have been

1900
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:12,480
talking about the these oral traditions

1901
01:37:18,490 --> 01:37:15,330
that have been handed down all of this

1902
01:37:20,990 --> 01:37:18,500
can also point back to some of the

1903
01:37:26,150 --> 01:37:21,000
representations that is there in the

1904
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:26,160
symbology at gobekli tepe right oh yeah

1905
01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:30,060
I think a lava can go back to that early

1906
01:37:34,850 --> 01:37:32,280
period and a lot of it goes back to what

1907
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:34,860
they were suffering from

1908
01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:36,540
but I say suffering from what they

1909
01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:41,630
experience so I've never you know it

1910
01:37:46,460 --> 01:37:43,560
there are lots of different

1911
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:46,470
interpretations of some of the things

1912
01:37:51,220 --> 01:37:47,970
you were just mentioning that no way

1913
01:37:54,230 --> 01:37:51,230
came flooding gilma get-go I can't yeah

1914
01:37:55,700 --> 01:37:54,240
Gilgamesh and of course there's the

1915
01:37:59,870 --> 01:37:55,710
flood story and Gilgamesh which

1916
01:38:04,400 --> 01:37:59,880
essentially mimics the the tale of Noah

1917
01:38:06,740 --> 01:38:04,410
and the deluge and my personal opinion

1918
01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:06,750
is and this is something I've been

1919
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:09,630
looking at very carefully for decades

1920
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:14,100
now you have these some of these tales

1921
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:16,500
some of these traditions these stories

1922
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:18,210
whatever you want to call them and

1923
01:38:25,610 --> 01:38:21,780
they're essentially worldwide and they

1924
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:25,620
go back to a very early period you have

1925
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:29,130
them very well expressed in Mesopotamia

1926
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:30,750
and when I say Mesopotamia I'm actually

1927
01:38:36,220 --> 01:38:32,430
thinking primarily of northern

1928
01:38:39,740 --> 01:38:36,230
Mesopotamia they include everything

1929
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:39,750
between the Tigris and Euphrates and

1930
01:38:43,820 --> 01:38:41,580
even a little bit beyond either way

1931
01:38:46,430 --> 01:38:43,830
we'll do use it a very broad sense but

1932
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:46,440
that includes gobekli tepe that's where

1933
01:38:52,850 --> 01:38:49,890
the Bible says that even was I'm not

1934
01:38:55,220 --> 01:38:52,860
claiming that Gobekli Tepe is the Garden

1935
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:55,230
of Eden but certainly was in the Eden

1936
01:39:03,080 --> 01:38:59,040
area you just mentioned erat which is in

1937
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:03,090
traditional Armenia it's now technically

1938
01:39:11,210 --> 01:39:07,130
in modern Turkey but again these these

1939
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:11,220
national boundaries those are modern

1940
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:13,650
that's even if they go back thousands of

1941
01:39:18,740 --> 01:39:16,890
years they're modern so I think we have

1942
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:18,750
to ignore that when we're talking about

1943
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:21,690
these very ancient traditions in the

1944
01:39:27,620 --> 01:39:25,920
ancient civilizations and it ties in and

1945
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:27,630
this is one of the beauties for me

1946
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:30,000
personally as a geologist it ties in

1947
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:32,730
with the natural earth cycles and

1948
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:36,210
natural earth history so in my personal

1949
01:39:43,010 --> 01:39:39,840
opinion the whole concept of Noah's Ark

1950
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,020
and Gilgamesh in the flood there and

1951
01:39:47,110 --> 01:39:45,600
other flood traditions we have it ties

1952
01:39:49,390 --> 01:39:47,120
in with rule

1953
01:39:51,550 --> 01:39:49,400
vents that in my assessment were

1954
01:39:55,330 --> 01:39:51,560
happening at the end of the last ice age

1955
01:39:58,600 --> 01:39:55,340
with the ending and the climatic changes

1956
01:40:00,840 --> 01:39:58,610
and floods that we know occurred we have

1957
01:40:04,420 --> 01:40:00,850
independent evidence of that

1958
01:40:07,690 --> 01:40:04,430
geologically not just sea level rises

1959
01:40:10,780 --> 01:40:07,700
but actually of land floods etc so it's

1960
01:40:12,730 --> 01:40:10,790
that's a tie in and it for me it means

1961
01:40:15,220 --> 01:40:12,740
that these people are not just making up

1962
01:40:18,910 --> 01:40:15,230
fancy stories for religious purposes

1963
01:40:22,090 --> 01:40:18,920
that have no real basis but the they are

1964
01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:22,100
passing on genuine information genuine

1965
01:40:31,420 --> 01:40:26,860
knowledge which is part of their

1966
01:40:33,970 --> 01:40:31,430
religious beliefs and philosophy but

1967
01:40:36,340 --> 01:40:33,980
that's not in any way to belittle it in

1968
01:40:38,620 --> 01:40:36,350
fact I don't belittle religion at all I

1969
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:38,630
think genuine true religion has a

1970
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:42,650
foundation in science I go back to I

1971
01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:45,890
mean you know the name I'm sure but John

1972
01:40:49,900 --> 01:40:48,350
Anthony West and I often would talk

1973
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:49,910
about shuara to Lubitsch and John

1974
01:40:54,580 --> 01:40:51,650
Anthony West would talk about shuara to

1975
01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:54,590
Lubitsch and concept that he promulgated

1976
01:41:00,250 --> 01:40:57,400
of sacred science that ancient people

1977
01:41:03,610 --> 01:41:00,260
combined together what we would call

1978
01:41:06,940 --> 01:41:03,620
religion philosophy science into a

1979
01:41:08,980 --> 01:41:06,950
unified whole and that is to me one of

1980
01:41:11,290 --> 01:41:08,990
the very important aspects of a site

1981
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:11,300
like Quebec lead-up a it's not just the

1982
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:13,250
world's first temple I actually get

1983
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,650
really bristly when people call it that

1984
01:41:21,220 --> 01:41:18,320
because then to me that demeans it that

1985
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:21,230
demeans all the other aspects of a site

1986
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:23,210
like Quebec Lee tapping the gobekli tepe

1987
01:41:29,140 --> 01:41:26,470
people I believe were so advanced

1988
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:29,150
technologically and scientifically it

1989
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:31,810
wasn't just a bunch of you know

1990
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:34,610
religious cult fanatics if you would

1991
01:41:40,660 --> 01:41:37,520
well there are let's talk about some of

1992
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:40,670
these symbols and I'm watching Twitter I

1993
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:44,570
love the level of knowledge and interest

1994
01:41:50,290 --> 01:41:47,810
in gobekli tepe with this audience and

1995
01:41:53,620 --> 01:41:50,300
there are a couple of things there that

1996
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:53,630
I want to address directly well one of

1997
01:41:56,530 --> 01:41:54,890
them and I know that you worked with

1998
01:41:58,540 --> 01:41:56,540
Baskin

1999
01:42:01,810 --> 01:41:58,550
over there and what a wealth of

2000
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:01,820
knowledge and when you're walking

2001
01:42:09,970 --> 01:42:07,030
through gobekli tepe today and you see

2002
01:42:12,730 --> 01:42:09,980
one of the symbols there and there's a

2003
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:12,740
sculpture there that is is they classify

2004
01:42:21,790 --> 01:42:17,860
as sculpture zero that one has an

2005
01:42:24,340 --> 01:42:21,800
upside-down u which is the armenian

2006
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:24,350
letter v' Oh upside down U and

2007
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:27,290
underneath it is what looks like a

2008
01:42:35,370 --> 01:42:30,080
regular you but the two symbols joined

2009
01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:35,380
together are a symbol of the universe

2010
01:42:40,570 --> 01:42:38,450
and yeah yeah it could be a symbol of

2011
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:40,580
the universe something I want to point

2012
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:43,270
out that there's a there's a lot of

2013
01:42:47,860 --> 01:42:45,890
symbols can often carry numerous

2014
01:42:50,740 --> 01:42:47,870
meanings simultaneously we know that

2015
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:50,750
even for today sure and they're very

2016
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,760
powerful you can actually I once got

2017
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:55,280
very upset when I was watching are

2018
01:42:59,320 --> 01:42:57,110
watching attending a lecture and that

2019
01:43:01,930 --> 01:42:59,330
guy went on and on about you can't say

2020
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:01,940
it in words that it doesn't exist or I

2021
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,050
forget how he said it

2022
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:04,880
no in fact I would disagree with that

2023
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:07,490
there are some things some concepts that

2024
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:10,130
you can express Express in art and

2025
01:43:20,290 --> 01:43:17,170
symbolism etc in non just linear words

2026
01:43:22,630 --> 01:43:20,300
that are very very powerful very

2027
01:43:24,940 --> 01:43:22,640
expressive that you can't necessarily

2028
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:24,950
put them into words that you can say

2029
01:43:30,730 --> 01:43:27,110
over a radio program not to put down a

2030
01:43:31,630 --> 01:43:30,740
radio program so you you I'm sure you

2031
01:43:33,490 --> 01:43:31,640
know what I mean

2032
01:43:37,420 --> 01:43:33,500
so when you look at some of these

2033
01:43:39,420 --> 01:43:37,430
symbols something that my colleague and

2034
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:39,430
I know you know him Manu safe sad a

2035
01:43:44,860 --> 01:43:42,710
doctor man who saves the day and I have

2036
01:43:48,610 --> 01:43:44,870
been looking at and he first pointed out

2037
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:48,620
that some of this not just Armenian but

2038
01:43:53,950 --> 01:43:51,290
where sometimes known as Lou Ian or

2039
01:43:56,650 --> 01:43:53,960
Hittite and these terms are thrown

2040
01:43:59,170 --> 01:43:56,660
around loosely so I don't want to put a

2041
01:44:02,170 --> 01:43:59,180
loss significance on a specific one or

2042
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:02,180
tie them to a specific ethnic group but

2043
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:04,490
you have hired these ancient

2044
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:07,130
hieroglyphic inscriptions now ancient

2045
01:44:12,189 --> 01:44:08,719
from our

2046
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:12,199
respective now going back three thousand

2047
01:44:19,169 --> 01:44:15,679
four thousand years or so so much much

2048
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:19,179
later than Quebec Lee tepee time but

2049
01:44:25,689 --> 01:44:23,510
caring some of the same symbolism some

2050
01:44:28,209 --> 01:44:25,699
of the same apparent letters and you

2051
01:44:31,839 --> 01:44:28,219
just planned out also in Armenian some

2052
01:44:35,310 --> 01:44:31,849
of the same letters etc and I do think

2053
01:44:38,259 --> 01:44:35,320
that we have to look carefully and

2054
01:44:40,839 --> 01:44:38,269
accept the possibility and I do accept

2055
01:44:43,719 --> 01:44:40,849
the possibility that there were things

2056
01:44:46,989 --> 01:44:43,729
that were carried over that that made it

2057
01:44:49,540 --> 01:44:46,999
through those thousands of years so I

2058
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:49,550
want to point out one which ties in with

2059
01:44:55,870 --> 01:44:52,190
what you were just saying when you look

2060
01:45:00,270 --> 01:44:55,880
at the louia nor hit type of an tolian

2061
01:45:04,180 --> 01:45:00,280
inscriptions you have a very similar

2062
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:04,190
makeup of if it's vertical it's the way

2063
01:45:09,580 --> 01:45:06,530
you described if it's horizontal it

2064
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:09,590
looks like a C and H the letter H or

2065
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:12,170
variation on the letter H and then a

2066
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,050
backward C and you have that for

2067
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:17,119
instance on one of the pillars known as

2068
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:20,570
pillar 18 at Quebec Lee tap a that is

2069
01:45:28,509 --> 01:45:26,150
the word for God it's it's no doubt in

2070
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:28,519
my mind the word for God and I believe

2071
01:45:35,529 --> 01:45:32,690
in gobekli tepe times but it was also

2072
01:45:38,379 --> 01:45:35,539
used at a much later period in the

2073
01:45:39,370 --> 01:45:38,389
Antonian region as the word for God and

2074
01:45:42,069 --> 01:45:39,380
I think that's something that

2075
01:45:43,390 --> 01:45:42,079
transferred but more than that and I

2076
01:45:47,469 --> 01:45:43,400
want to mention this and then we can

2077
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:47,479
talk about more it's also a plasma it's

2078
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:53,199
basically how I say it construct or

2079
01:46:01,719 --> 01:45:58,400
symbolism derived from a simplified

2080
01:46:03,759 --> 01:46:01,729
version of plasma torus that you get for

2081
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,769
instance during major solar up or so I

2082
01:46:08,489 --> 01:46:05,840
think they're tying numerous things

2083
01:46:13,239 --> 01:46:08,499
together between the concept of God

2084
01:46:16,509 --> 01:46:13,249
eternity the Sun plasma what we would

2085
01:46:19,569 --> 01:46:16,519
call plasma physics and you have all

2086
01:46:21,850 --> 01:46:19,579
these this nexus of different

2087
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:21,860
intersecting meanings and

2088
01:46:27,370 --> 01:46:25,310
sections beautifully shown in one symbol

2089
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:27,380
it's it's sort of equivalent in modern

2090
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,610
terms of a mathematical equation so I'm

2091
01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:33,920
just point I know it's a lot to say very

2092
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:38,590
simply that I think it shows the

2093
01:46:46,750 --> 01:46:41,360
sophistication of those people at that

2094
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:46,760
time now when we we are trying to

2095
01:46:58,810 --> 01:46:52,730
understand how complex this culture must

2096
01:47:00,520 --> 01:46:58,820
have been not probably not maybe right

2097
01:47:01,930 --> 01:47:00,530
and they we're not hundred I want to

2098
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,940
make a quick point there were not just

2099
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:04,400
simple hunter-gatherers as so many

2100
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,290
people say they were bound by symbolism

2101
01:47:13,229 --> 01:47:11,360
that connected them I mean they were

2102
01:47:17,709 --> 01:47:13,239
talking about you know we're talking

2103
01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:17,719
sophisticated thinking here and complex

2104
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:21,190
abstract thinking so many of my

2105
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:23,449
archaeological colleagues they say won't

2106
01:47:27,729 --> 01:47:25,550
have true civilization you have to have

2107
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:27,739
megalithic structures you have to have

2108
01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:30,650
settlement in cities you have to have

2109
01:47:34,060 --> 01:47:32,510
righty and they would say Oh what the

2110
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,070
Quebec week that people didn't have

2111
01:47:38,260 --> 01:47:36,080
writing they weren't that sophisticated

2112
01:47:39,459 --> 01:47:38,270
they didn't have cities because we

2113
01:47:42,370 --> 01:47:39,469
haven't found them yet

2114
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:42,380
and then they serve what poopoo if I

2115
01:47:49,450 --> 01:47:45,500
could use that term dismiss the obvious

2116
01:47:52,209 --> 01:47:49,460
megalithic structures that we see but I

2117
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:52,219
would say they they had absolutely all

2118
01:47:58,780 --> 01:47:55,489
three of them they had writing as I was

2119
01:48:01,060 --> 01:47:58,790
starting to describe they had incredibly

2120
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:01,070
sophisticated megalithic structures as

2121
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:03,650
we were just talking about and laid out

2122
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:07,250
according to sophisticated ground plans

2123
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:09,650
and engineering and where were they

2124
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,530
living where River cities I think that

2125
01:48:16,180 --> 01:48:14,000
among other things

2126
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:16,190
artha the city of Earth for the modern

2127
01:48:23,060 --> 01:48:19,489
city of Urfa every place where they dig

2128
01:48:26,610 --> 01:48:23,070
down for a new sewer or and

2129
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:26,620
road construction our urban development

2130
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:30,610
they find ancient sites going back to

2131
01:48:35,610 --> 01:48:33,310
the time of Quebec lead up a so I don't

2132
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,620
think that it's a mysterious to her the

2133
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:37,360
Quebec we tap a people may have been

2134
01:48:46,290 --> 01:48:40,960
living one of the places or maybe one of

2135
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:46,300
the most oldest continuously habited

2136
01:48:51,180 --> 01:48:49,630
inhabited areas in the world you were

2137
01:48:54,210 --> 01:48:51,190
just mentioning that I mean you know

2138
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:54,220
things 2,000 years old in Eartha that's

2139
01:48:59,400 --> 01:48:55,690
nothing that's nothing

2140
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:59,410
that's nothing I mean yeah a big deal is

2141
01:49:02,970 --> 01:49:01,360
the innocent a lien with what we're

2142
01:49:08,490 --> 01:49:02,980
talking about the city of prophets

2143
01:49:13,230 --> 01:49:08,500
abraham was said to have lived there her

2144
01:49:15,450 --> 01:49:13,240
on which is not far from quebec we kept

2145
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:15,460
a people know there are bible genesis

2146
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:18,880
iran's right there abraham was there and

2147
01:49:24,540 --> 01:49:21,250
you know so this is really a place where

2148
01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:24,550
so much of this originating so much goes

2149
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,460
back so far i want to point out if

2150
01:49:32,190 --> 01:49:29,280
people want to read about this in detail

2151
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:32,200
and i'm dr ayham period plugs in for

2152
01:49:38,250 --> 01:49:34,440
myself but if they go to my web site

2153
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:38,260
Robert Schoch calm and look at the tabs

2154
01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:40,450
they'll find one for an article called

2155
01:49:46,380 --> 01:49:43,750
God in the Sun the writing at Quebec we

2156
01:49:47,490 --> 01:49:46,390
taught a god and the Sun the writing at

2157
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:47,500
gobekli tepe

2158
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,600
and I should say Quebec wake up again

2159
01:49:56,580 --> 01:49:51,280
just so people remember what we're

2160
01:49:59,310 --> 01:49:56,590
talking to get to number 70 so there you

2161
01:50:01,500 --> 01:49:59,320
go just hit number 70 men it's gonna be

2162
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:01,510
a rough morning tomorrow people go to

2163
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:04,090
God in the Sun on my website they'll see

2164
01:50:08,490 --> 01:50:05,530
what we're talking about they can see

2165
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:08,500
some of the symbols and palletizing how

2166
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:11,350
doctor safes a day - safes a day and I

2167
01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:13,810
have tied it together so I think people

2168
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:15,640
should take a look at that they're

2169
01:50:22,170 --> 01:50:19,330
interested in this is what I find about

2170
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:22,180
as interesting as you can get and

2171
01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:24,730
there's so many things about gobekli

2172
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:28,660
tepe but when we talk about ancient

2173
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:31,210
Egyptian temples and the representation

2174
01:50:34,569 --> 01:50:32,570
of the zodiac

2175
01:50:39,970 --> 01:50:34,579
mom was cut out of the ceiling I think

2176
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:39,980
it was in dendara and and and and is now

2177
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:41,750
like in the British Museum and they've

2178
01:50:48,490 --> 01:50:43,400
got it right actually that one's in

2179
01:50:49,959 --> 01:50:48,500
Paris Oh Paris Paris versus London no

2180
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:49,969
I'm saying that seriously mum the

2181
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:51,530
Egyptian point of view they want the

2182
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:53,690
back they want it back and so why they

2183
01:51:00,370 --> 01:50:56,090
went back they the Rosetta stones in

2184
01:51:00,580 --> 01:51:00,380
Britain and the zodiac you're referring

2185
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:00,590
to

2186
01:51:04,810 --> 01:51:03,199
I hope I'm Games rise in Paris but they

2187
01:51:08,609 --> 01:51:04,820
want them all back yeah they want them

2188
01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:08,619
back but that's another argument again

2189
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:10,760
we don't want to go there right now

2190
01:51:18,430 --> 01:51:13,730
Sarah Lee no not necessarily but we can

2191
01:51:22,510 --> 01:51:18,440
go here which is that zodiac has been

2192
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,520
spoken about for a hundred years about

2193
01:51:27,220 --> 01:51:24,800
its importance and the significance and

2194
01:51:29,970 --> 01:51:27,230
and that it was there and and how could

2195
01:51:32,919 --> 01:51:29,980
they have a zodiac represented like that

2196
01:51:37,569 --> 01:51:32,929
four thousand years ago okay all right

2197
01:51:42,669 --> 01:51:37,579
I can digest that but how how do we

2198
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:42,679
explain a Zodiac at gobekli tepe right

2199
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:46,730
why why do we have to see here we fall

2200
01:51:52,359 --> 01:51:49,280
into the trap I think of why do we have

2201
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:52,369
to even say how can we explain the

2202
01:51:57,339 --> 01:51:55,310
Quebec elite FA people I have no doubt

2203
01:51:59,500 --> 01:51:57,349
in my mind I mean they were as smart as

2204
01:52:02,319 --> 01:51:59,510
us they were as intelligent as us they

2205
01:52:06,459 --> 01:52:02,329
were capable of making just as good

2206
01:52:09,609 --> 01:52:06,469
observations as us maybe better so why

2207
01:52:11,410 --> 01:52:09,619
not and a Quebec elite MP you have the

2208
01:52:14,740 --> 01:52:11,420
pillars you have a central pillar

2209
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:14,750
surrounded by a ring of pillars think

2210
01:52:21,129 --> 01:52:18,880
about what's a zodiac it's um you know

2211
01:52:24,220 --> 01:52:21,139
instead of animals in the sky

2212
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:24,230
surrounding us and Quebec we tap a by my

2213
01:52:31,060 --> 01:52:26,900
my interpretation what's known as

2214
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:31,070
enclosure D the central pillars actually

2215
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:33,650
represent Orion and looked at it Oh Ryan

2216
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:36,530
on the vernal equinox just before the

2217
01:52:42,970 --> 01:52:39,290
end of the last ice age and Orion the

2218
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:42,980
headless hunter was because it looks

2219
01:52:46,359 --> 01:52:44,449
like a headless hunter in the sky at

2220
01:52:49,540 --> 01:52:46,369
torso it's it's a

2221
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,550
good match for what we have symbolized

2222
01:52:54,609 --> 01:52:52,639
at Quebec Lee Taipei with the zodiac

2223
01:52:58,029 --> 01:52:54,619
around it I mean zodiac literally means

2224
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,039
the zoo and the animals around it and we

2225
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:01,280
are finding not just a Quebec Lee Taipei

2226
01:53:07,739 --> 01:53:02,800
but throughout the world these

2227
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:07,749
traditions and some of the very same

2228
01:53:13,899 --> 01:53:11,599
constellations we recognize now go back

2229
01:53:14,759 --> 01:53:13,909
to well before the end of the last ice

2230
01:53:18,009 --> 01:53:14,769
age

2231
01:53:19,989 --> 01:53:18,019
Orion is one that goes back I have no

2232
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:19,999
doubt based on the evidence that people

2233
01:53:24,279 --> 01:53:22,489
were recognizing Orion before well

2234
01:53:29,169 --> 01:53:24,289
before the end of the last ice age as a

2235
01:53:30,969 --> 01:53:29,179
Ryan as as human somewhere interpreting

2236
01:53:35,319 --> 01:53:30,979
as a king some as a hundred there were

2237
01:53:39,969 --> 01:53:35,329
various versions of it Taurus is another

2238
01:53:42,939 --> 01:53:39,979
one that was recognized possibly Leo the

2239
01:53:46,089 --> 01:53:42,949
Lion is another one so Tokyo is their

2240
01:53:49,629 --> 01:53:46,099
IPO yeah I mean a lot of these they go

2241
01:53:52,989 --> 01:53:49,639
back much much earlier when I when I was

2242
01:53:54,669 --> 01:53:52,999
a graduate student you know and I

2243
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:54,679
studied such things and they serve

2244
01:53:59,199 --> 01:53:57,129
laughed it off oh you know the

2245
01:54:02,199 --> 01:53:59,209
constellations all the constellations

2246
01:54:05,319 --> 01:54:02,209
that we know they go back no more than

2247
01:54:07,509 --> 01:54:05,329
maybe three four thousand years at the

2248
01:54:11,020 --> 01:54:07,519
most maybe five if they're really

2249
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,030
pushing it no one could imagine they

2250
01:54:17,379 --> 01:54:13,280
would go back well more than twice that

2251
01:54:18,850 --> 01:54:17,389
in any kind of semblance oh yeah what we

2252
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:18,860
see now now not seeing every

2253
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:20,449
constellation some of the constellations

2254
01:54:25,389 --> 01:54:22,610
we recognize now or even you know for

2255
01:54:28,959 --> 01:54:25,399
medieval or modern times but a lot of

2256
01:54:31,299 --> 01:54:28,969
these major ones they go back to a much

2257
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:31,309
much earlier period I also wanted to

2258
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:33,199
make a point about hunter-gatherers can

2259
01:54:37,540 --> 01:54:34,729
I make a point about hunter-gatherers

2260
01:54:44,919 --> 01:54:37,550
yes just as long as it's about Orion and

2261
01:54:49,959 --> 01:54:44,929
the progeny tour of Orion that in a Ryan

2262
01:54:54,060 --> 01:54:49,969
of course is a cyrus in egypt and and

2263
01:54:57,690 --> 01:54:54,070
the the vulture next to

2264
01:55:00,330 --> 01:54:57,700
the Scorpion when the the way that it is

2265
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:00,340
carved in that stone exactly as it is

2266
01:55:06,150 --> 01:55:03,010
carved in that stone lays nearly

2267
01:55:09,090 --> 01:55:06,160
precisely over the way Orion is

2268
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:09,100
represented today and if you back it up

2269
01:55:17,370 --> 01:55:10,480
in the procession

2270
01:55:19,260 --> 01:55:17,380
it eventually lines up perfectly exactly

2271
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:19,270
exactly I mean they were they were

2272
01:55:22,830 --> 01:55:21,130
incredibly supposed to yet so I wanted

2273
01:55:24,630 --> 01:55:22,840
to say you know so many of my colleagues

2274
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:24,640
academic colleagues they just say oh

2275
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:27,730
they were hunter-gatherers as if that's

2276
01:55:32,010 --> 01:55:30,580
a horrible thing and hunter-gatherers

2277
01:55:32,910 --> 01:55:32,020
just ties back in with what we're

2278
01:55:35,010 --> 01:55:32,920
talking about that

2279
01:55:37,620 --> 01:55:35,020
Oh hunter-gatherers their cave and their

2280
01:55:41,460 --> 01:55:37,630
primitive or just running around with

2281
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:41,470
the rolls and sticks and how could they

2282
01:55:45,060 --> 01:55:43,210
ever produce anything like this but

2283
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:45,070
we've got the Beckley tempeh that's

2284
01:55:50,460 --> 01:55:47,770
number one and we know they produced it

2285
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:50,470
you have to face the fact and I think

2286
01:55:55,710 --> 01:55:53,290
you know it only does us a disservice to

2287
01:56:00,480 --> 01:55:55,720
try to downplay it and make it more

2288
01:56:03,140 --> 01:56:00,490
primitive that really yes I also want to

2289
01:56:06,690 --> 01:56:03,150
point out that this whole business of

2290
01:56:09,530 --> 01:56:06,700
agriculture and what came first cities

2291
01:56:13,610 --> 01:56:09,540
and megalithic structures and symbolism

2292
01:56:16,770 --> 01:56:13,620
sophisticated thinking and agriculture

2293
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:16,780
yeah which came first the classic view

2294
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:19,090
was agriculture came first and then

2295
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:21,010
you'll had settlements and that's only

2296
01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:23,250
the time when you could then have

2297
01:56:29,250 --> 01:56:26,740
sophisticated megalithic structures etc

2298
01:56:31,740 --> 01:56:29,260
but it could be the opposite way around

2299
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:31,750
that you had megalithic structures first

2300
01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:36,310
and then that caused humans to settle

2301
01:56:40,890 --> 01:56:38,680
down have agriculture that's one

2302
01:56:43,140 --> 01:56:40,900
possibility that we have to look at

2303
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:43,150
carefully now and I want to point out

2304
01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:47,310
that there are societies that are

2305
01:56:53,220 --> 01:56:50,920
hunter-gatherers that they blossom they

2306
01:56:56,250 --> 01:56:53,230
do very well like the north west coast

2307
01:56:58,410 --> 01:56:56,260
in America Native Americans they were a

2308
01:57:00,780 --> 01:56:58,420
hunter-gatherer society but they were

2309
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:00,790
building huge wooden structures and

2310
01:57:05,929 --> 01:57:03,210
totem poles all that type of thing

2311
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:05,939
incredibly sophisticated

2312
01:57:11,479 --> 01:57:08,489
but then there's another aspect to it

2313
01:57:14,929 --> 01:57:11,489
which is maybe the Quebec we Tempe

2314
01:57:17,419 --> 01:57:14,939
people did have cultivation agriculture

2315
01:57:19,399 --> 01:57:17,429
that type of thing because there's a lot

2316
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:19,409
of evidence that this actually could go

2317
01:57:27,319 --> 01:57:22,880
back much earlier than anyone suspected

2318
01:57:30,049 --> 01:57:27,329
because in the archaeological record the

2319
01:57:33,439 --> 01:57:30,059
way they recognized Agriculture's

2320
01:57:36,620 --> 01:57:33,449
typically is by looking at grains and

2321
01:57:38,049 --> 01:57:36,630
cereals and essentially what I would

2322
01:57:41,299 --> 01:57:38,059
call the geologists subfossil remains

2323
01:57:47,359 --> 01:57:41,309
and they look to see if they've been

2324
01:57:49,839 --> 01:57:47,369
modified and domesticate it but there's

2325
01:57:53,540 --> 01:57:49,849
now a lot of evidence that the earliest

2326
01:57:56,540 --> 01:57:53,550
domestication you don't see a

2327
01:58:00,520 --> 01:57:56,550
morphological modification so it's very

2328
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,530
hard to tell the wild from the earliest

2329
01:58:06,409 --> 01:58:03,119
domesticated am I making sense yes you

2330
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:06,419
are and we're going to we can't say so

2331
01:58:11,929 --> 01:58:08,340
definitively they didn't have

2332
01:58:13,759 --> 01:58:11,939
sophisticated cultivation techniques and

2333
01:58:19,790 --> 01:58:13,769
whatnot no it had to go hand in hand

2334
01:58:21,890 --> 01:58:19,800
Robert and yes I look at the evidence

2335
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:21,900
but no you you see exactly what I'm

2336
01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:24,510
saying I do I do and we're gonna head

2337
01:58:29,359 --> 01:58:26,489
towards a break and I want to make a

2338
01:58:32,479 --> 01:58:29,369
correction with the vulture it was

2339
01:58:35,179 --> 01:58:32,489
Cygnus not Orion I just got all excited

2340
01:58:37,189 --> 01:58:35,189
there let's take our no actually there's

2341
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:37,199
a bunch of Orion correlations there's

2342
01:58:43,250 --> 01:58:39,900
Cygnus is a whole different thing yes it

2343
01:58:45,259 --> 01:58:43,260
is we won't go there too far no we do

2344
01:58:48,439 --> 01:58:45,269
technical but you were actually right

2345
01:58:50,089 --> 01:58:48,449
with both because what you have just say

2346
01:58:52,759 --> 01:58:50,099
is quickly when you're looking at Orion

2347
01:58:54,859 --> 01:58:52,769
one side Cygnus is an Alps it basically

2348
01:58:57,529 --> 01:58:54,869
they're here let's take our break right

2349
01:59:01,129 --> 01:58:57,539
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2350
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intruders from our entire digestive

2407
02:01:33,490 --> 02:01:32,099
system and get this weight loss can be a

2408
02:01:35,530 --> 02:01:33,500
side effect

2409
02:01:37,540 --> 02:01:35,540
continued use of the tea you can

2410
02:01:40,090 --> 02:01:37,550
experience clearer healthier younger

2411
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:40,100
looking skin increased energy and a

2412
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:41,930
happier outlook on life so if you're

2413
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:43,250
tired of being tired

2414
02:01:46,810 --> 02:01:46,010
get the life changed tea at get the tea

2415
02:01:51,420 --> 02:01:46,820
calm

2416
02:01:53,590 --> 02:01:51,430
you'll be glad you did

2417
02:01:55,330 --> 02:01:53,600
did you know that when you're on the

2418
02:01:57,790 --> 02:01:55,340
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

2419
02:01:59,890 --> 02:01:57,800
available you can still listen to every

2420
02:02:02,470 --> 02:01:59,900
minute of fade to black by just calling

2421
02:02:05,530 --> 02:02:02,480
six oh five five six two four four eight

2422
02:02:08,020 --> 02:02:05,540
two no smartphone app or internet needed

2423
02:02:10,630 --> 02:02:08,030
it saves your data plan and no extra

2424
02:02:13,420 --> 02:02:10,640
cost if you have unlimited minutes just

2425
02:02:15,610 --> 02:02:13,430
call six oh five five six two four four

2426
02:02:18,340 --> 02:02:15,620
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

2427
02:02:37,810 --> 02:02:18,350
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

2428
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:37,820
Gobekli Tepe I'm serious I couldn't stay

2429
02:02:43,390 --> 02:02:39,760
without PO mr. Brooks

2430
02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:43,400
well I fade to black because you never

2431
02:02:52,330 --> 02:02:50,410
this is fade to black

2432
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:52,340
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2433
02:02:58,410 --> 02:02:56,030
radio network and K GRA the global radio

2434
02:03:10,439 --> 02:02:58,420
alliance

2435
02:03:12,900 --> 02:03:10,449
[Music]

2436
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:12,910
welcome back fade to black I am hosting

2437
02:03:19,229 --> 02:03:16,210
a church tonight dr. Robert M shock our

2438
02:03:23,220 --> 02:03:19,239
gobekli tepe special event we do it

2439
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:23,230
every year probably the most important

2440
02:03:29,780 --> 02:03:26,560
significance site to date that has been

2441
02:03:34,919 --> 02:03:29,790
found and and you know why I say that

2442
02:03:37,950 --> 02:03:34,929
dr. Schaack I say this for one reason

2443
02:03:40,830 --> 02:03:37,960
and one reason only I'm forced to and

2444
02:03:43,650 --> 02:03:40,840
I'm forced to because of what you and

2445
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:43,660
John Anthony West went through back in

2446
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:47,890
1992 in San Diego when it was presented

2447
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:49,449
very directly

2448
02:03:56,250 --> 02:03:53,530
there is nothing before giza give us

2449
02:03:58,830 --> 02:03:56,260
that and we'll have a discussion right

2450
02:04:00,689 --> 02:03:58,840
and and and they just did their best

2451
02:04:07,110 --> 02:04:00,699
they tried to embarrass you

2452
02:04:09,930 --> 02:04:07,120
they tried to belittle your research not

2453
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:09,940
and and not only that part but they did

2454
02:04:16,860 --> 02:04:13,210
not want to sway off of their stated

2455
02:04:20,250 --> 02:04:16,870
position and Dogma and clearly that is

2456
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:20,260
not the case today and we have got that

2457
02:04:24,630 --> 02:04:23,110
going for us don't we oh absolutely I

2458
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:24,640
agree with you and I agree with you

2459
02:04:29,820 --> 02:04:26,770
about how important Quebec Lee today is

2460
02:04:32,340 --> 02:04:29,830
there's no doubt in my mind and I'm

2461
02:04:34,290 --> 02:04:32,350
saying that not just because it confirms

2462
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:34,300
what we were talking when I say wait you

2463
02:04:38,939 --> 02:04:35,890
know John Anthony West and I were

2464
02:04:40,979 --> 02:04:38,949
talking about back then because again to

2465
02:04:43,050 --> 02:04:40,989
remind people if they don't part to

2466
02:04:45,959 --> 02:04:43,060
inform that they don't know about it we

2467
02:04:48,570 --> 02:04:45,969
were talking about I was presenting the

2468
02:04:50,910 --> 02:04:48,580
evidence for the older Sphinx the

2469
02:04:52,709 --> 02:04:50,920
origins of things going back to what I

2470
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:52,719
would now call earlier cycle

2471
02:04:59,729 --> 02:04:54,880
civilization going back to that very

2472
02:05:02,340 --> 02:04:59,739
remote period before Quebec we tap a

2473
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:02,350
before this a single stone of Quebec we

2474
02:05:08,250 --> 02:05:05,530
tap a had been excavated technically it

2475
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:08,260
had been discovered but people didn't

2476
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:10,810
know what it was when you read the very

2477
02:05:16,770 --> 02:05:13,810
early literature on gobekli tepe they're

2478
02:05:20,669 --> 02:05:16,780
dismissing it as maybe even Greco Roman

2479
02:05:21,620 --> 02:05:20,679
or Byzantine they had no clue until

2480
02:05:24,770 --> 02:05:21,630
cross

2481
02:05:27,260 --> 02:05:24,780
let's started excavating it looking at

2482
02:05:30,230 --> 02:05:27,270
it and then excavated that it went back

2483
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:30,240
to such a remote period so when we were

2484
02:05:37,670 --> 02:05:34,070
talking about that in the early 1990s

2485
02:05:39,950 --> 02:05:37,680
literally quebec lee Teppei was not on

2486
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:39,960
the map it's not and I want to emphasize

2487
02:05:46,100 --> 02:05:42,480
as it was not a situation where I was

2488
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:46,110
ignorant of it or unaware of it no one

2489
02:05:52,370 --> 02:05:49,440
knew about it and that sense no one knew

2490
02:05:56,180 --> 02:05:52,380
that there was going to be this site

2491
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:56,190
that would ultimately confirm confirm

2492
02:06:02,090 --> 02:05:59,280
how far back civilization sophisticate

2493
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:02,100
civilization goes so yes it's probably

2494
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:04,890
the single most important site from that

2495
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:09,170
perspective now what does this do to

2496
02:06:15,620 --> 02:06:12,030
Egypt ologist and you know we can bring

2497
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:15,630
up Zahi Hawass well you know his his

2498
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:24,020
when he she said I don't even know what

2499
02:06:31,370 --> 02:06:29,310
gobekli tepe is what was despite the

2500
02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:31,380
fact that he and I had discussed it

2501
02:06:41,710 --> 02:06:36,150
right and I guess you know when you're

2502
02:06:45,140 --> 02:06:41,720
such a brilliant man with so many

2503
02:06:47,090 --> 02:06:45,150
responsibilities a few minor discussions

2504
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:47,100
with someone like myself I mean you know

2505
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:49,320
I can understand he would totally forget

2506
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:50,850
it yeah forget it not important

2507
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:52,530
especially if it was one of the most

2508
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:54,690
significant sites in the world

2509
02:06:58,640 --> 02:06:56,730
archaeologically and he's an

2510
02:07:05,690 --> 02:06:58,650
archaeologist of course he would forget

2511
02:07:08,750 --> 02:07:05,700
it now you're being very kind actually

2512
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:08,760
it but going back to where we were right

2513
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:12,690
before the break there for me when you

2514
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:15,810
look at a site like gobekli tepe

2515
02:07:23,690 --> 02:07:18,930
any any megalithic site like that of

2516
02:07:26,210 --> 02:07:23,700
such sophistication you have to look at

2517
02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:26,220
other things and I do in a logistical

2518
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:28,860
sense I think about the population I

2519
02:07:36,060 --> 02:07:33,210
think about feeding clothing housing

2520
02:07:39,450 --> 02:07:36,070
leadership all of that has to come into

2521
02:07:41,700 --> 02:07:39,460
play if the site doesn't build itself

2522
02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:41,710
there has to be a support structure

2523
02:07:49,110 --> 02:07:45,460
around it and it has to be organized and

2524
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:49,120
that had to have happened with gobekli

2525
02:07:54,300 --> 02:07:51,490
tepe there is no other way to look at it

2526
02:07:56,970 --> 02:07:54,310
right oh absolutely absolutely and I

2527
02:07:59,820 --> 02:07:56,980
can't help but think right now when I

2528
02:08:05,070 --> 02:07:59,830
first came out with the Sphinx being

2529
02:08:07,590 --> 02:08:05,080
older one of my critics archeologists

2530
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:07,600
who's honest I don't remember the name

2531
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:10,930
right now I said I think was a she said

2532
02:08:17,130 --> 02:08:15,010
that oh you know the people back then

2533
02:08:19,500 --> 02:08:17,140
they didn't have the willpower they

2534
02:08:24,030 --> 02:08:19,510
didn't have the organizational abilities

2535
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:24,040
etc to carve a Sphinx or produce Fink's

2536
02:08:30,270 --> 02:08:26,490
it's exactly what you're talking about

2537
02:08:30,810 --> 02:08:30,280
and back then they just quote new quote

2538
02:08:35,250 --> 02:08:30,820
unquote

2539
02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:35,260
that that was impossible but you know if

2540
02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:38,350
they exist you have to assume all that

2541
02:08:45,330 --> 02:08:40,690
it has to be the case in Quebec we kept

2542
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:45,340
it proves that now okay let's I want to

2543
02:08:53,790 --> 02:08:49,450
if you asked this question often in a

2544
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:53,800
general sense but if you were presenting

2545
02:08:57,330 --> 02:08:56,320
evidence in court when it comes to

2546
02:09:00,000 --> 02:08:57,340
gobekli tepe

2547
02:09:03,590 --> 02:09:00,010
what is the first thing that you're

2548
02:09:06,140 --> 02:09:03,600
gonna push to the center of the table

2549
02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:06,150
representing gobekli tepe

2550
02:09:11,010 --> 02:09:08,590
what do you mean if I'm present well

2551
02:09:12,810 --> 02:09:11,020
okay first off I have to say I don't

2552
02:09:14,220 --> 02:09:12,820
like the court analogy for science

2553
02:09:17,970 --> 02:09:14,230
because that's not the way you do

2554
02:09:21,450 --> 02:09:17,980
science but I know where you're coming

2555
02:09:24,020 --> 02:09:21,460
from and and I wanted to also point out

2556
02:09:28,380 --> 02:09:24,030
that you know there's been a lot of

2557
02:09:30,300 --> 02:09:28,390
academics ignoring gobekli tepe because

2558
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:30,310
they just don't want to deal with it

2559
02:09:34,740 --> 02:09:32,170
psychologically they say that the

2560
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:34,750
evidence is too strong not too weak and

2561
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:38,050
you know it just overthrows him actually

2562
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:40,810
Ian Hodder said something to that back

2563
02:09:45,239 --> 02:09:43,450
to I have a lot of respect for he did a

2564
02:09:48,209 --> 02:09:45,249
lot of work

2565
02:09:50,849 --> 02:09:48,219
at channel who yuck for instance which

2566
02:09:53,250 --> 02:09:50,859
is a more recent site and I bring this

2567
02:09:55,469 --> 02:09:53,260
up in purpose and it ties in with what

2568
02:09:57,839 --> 02:09:55,479
you just asked me so you have a site

2569
02:10:01,169 --> 02:09:57,849
like Chow who yuck which is essentially

2570
02:10:04,439 --> 02:10:01,179
mud brick buildings all piled on top of

2571
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,449
each other and it was when it was first

2572
02:10:11,069 --> 02:10:07,119
found considered incredibly old it goes

2573
02:10:14,849 --> 02:10:11,079
back five six thousand BC etc so it's in

2574
02:10:18,389 --> 02:10:14,859
between Quebec we Taipei and Egypt Sumer

2575
02:10:20,969 --> 02:10:18,399
but it's quite primitive and really

2576
02:10:23,489 --> 02:10:20,979
primitive compared to gobekli tepe vast

2577
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:23,499
thousands of years earlier so if I were

2578
02:10:29,129 --> 02:10:24,639
in a court of law

2579
02:10:31,500 --> 02:10:29,139
making the case for gobekli tepe I would

2580
02:10:35,569 --> 02:10:31,510
point out evidence like that that here

2581
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:35,579
at Quebec Lee cafe we have incredible

2582
02:10:42,029 --> 02:10:38,649
megalithic structures beautifully carved

2583
02:10:45,299 --> 02:10:42,039
beautifully oriented and you have

2584
02:10:48,869 --> 02:10:45,309
nothing like that for thousands of years

2585
02:10:51,239 --> 02:10:48,879
afterwards one exhibition or one witness

2586
02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:51,249
I might call I don't know if they would

2587
02:10:57,029 --> 02:10:54,719
do it I've done this several times with

2588
02:10:59,310 --> 02:10:57,039
archaeologists off the record who have

2589
02:11:01,290 --> 02:10:59,320
actually spoken to me off the record and

2590
02:11:04,409 --> 02:11:01,300
I've asked them well if you found

2591
02:11:06,029 --> 02:11:04,419
gobekli tepe you had no radiocarbon

2592
02:11:08,609 --> 02:11:06,039
dating and we have incredible

2593
02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:08,619
radiocarbon and stratigraphic dating for

2594
02:11:13,770 --> 02:11:10,780
it you found it you found one of the

2595
02:11:16,649 --> 02:11:13,780
pillars just on the basis of style and

2596
02:11:19,109 --> 02:11:16,659
sophistication how old do you think it

2597
02:11:21,869 --> 02:11:19,119
could possibly be and I may have said

2598
02:11:25,049 --> 02:11:21,879
this to you before Jimmy one of them

2599
02:11:27,839 --> 02:11:25,059
said literally 600 BC would be his best

2600
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:27,849
estimate for it another one said maybe a

2601
02:11:35,459 --> 02:11:32,530
thousand BC right not ten thousand BC or

2602
02:11:38,219 --> 02:11:35,469
their belts so right there you would

2603
02:11:40,889 --> 02:11:38,229
have people testifying if I could get

2604
02:11:43,619 --> 02:11:40,899
them in court that look this looks like

2605
02:11:46,770 --> 02:11:43,629
it should only be two thousand six

2606
02:11:49,409 --> 02:11:46,780
hundred three thousand years old yet we

2607
02:11:52,429 --> 02:11:49,419
have the German archaeological Institute

2608
02:11:55,529 --> 02:11:52,439
working in conjunction with the local

2609
02:11:58,470 --> 02:11:55,539
authorities doing incredibly detailed

2610
02:12:01,110 --> 02:11:58,480
precise stratigraphy Isis

2611
02:12:03,450 --> 02:12:01,120
tope studies which have demonstrated

2612
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:03,460
that has all the isotope signatures of

2613
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:06,730
the end of the last ice age radiocarbon

2614
02:12:13,500 --> 02:12:10,450
dating putting it back to the same time

2615
02:12:17,420 --> 02:12:13,510
period etc there's no doubt that it goes

2616
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:17,430
back to that early period yet it shows

2617
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:20,320
sophistication that you don't expect for

2618
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:23,770
another let's say 9000 years or so now

2619
02:12:30,750 --> 02:12:26,320
what do we what do we do with the rest

2620
02:12:34,860 --> 02:12:30,760
of the excavations now in the dating

2621
02:12:39,479 --> 02:12:34,870
sense is there is is there stuff

2622
02:12:43,220 --> 02:12:39,489
underneath gobekli tepe right is it is

2623
02:12:45,540 --> 02:12:43,230
it layered on one because I've heard

2624
02:12:48,450 --> 02:12:45,550
discussions about this can you clear

2625
02:12:51,180 --> 02:12:48,460
this up okay okay there's a couple of

2626
02:12:55,620 --> 02:12:51,190
questions here this is not an easy

2627
02:12:58,590 --> 02:12:55,630
question to go into great detail on and

2628
02:13:01,740 --> 02:12:58,600
a short discussion like this but the

2629
02:13:04,979 --> 02:13:01,750
quick answer is there's a lot more to be

2630
02:13:08,610 --> 02:13:04,989
excavated at Quebec we tempeh now some

2631
02:13:10,860 --> 02:13:08,620
of the enclosures and you can see this

2632
02:13:13,590 --> 02:13:10,870
when you go there and you go and you can

2633
02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:13,600
look at it and they really have we were

2634
02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:14,890
talking about this before they've really

2635
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:17,920
set up quite beautifully for the major

2636
02:13:23,940 --> 02:13:20,650
portion that's been excavated where it's

2637
02:13:26,490 --> 02:13:23,950
all under this modern canopy so it's

2638
02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:26,500
relatively open but not completely open

2639
02:13:31,050 --> 02:13:28,900
to all the elements but you can walk

2640
02:13:33,150 --> 02:13:31,060
around it you can look down in it and

2641
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:33,160
you will see there and you can see with

2642
02:13:38,490 --> 02:13:35,170
your own eyes that some of the closed

2643
02:13:40,830 --> 02:13:38,500
enclosures they have hit bedrock so the

2644
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:40,840
some of the closures the pillars are

2645
02:13:48,900 --> 02:13:46,210
actually erected on bedrock platforms so

2646
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:48,910
once you've hit bedrock like that no

2647
02:13:53,940 --> 02:13:50,800
you're not excavating anything

2648
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:53,950
underneath those particular ones others

2649
02:13:59,640 --> 02:13:56,410
are not on bedrock and when you're not

2650
02:14:02,280 --> 02:13:59,650
on bedrock yes there could be things

2651
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:02,290
underneath also you will see that

2652
02:14:07,620 --> 02:14:04,810
there's a stratigraphy there we're in

2653
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:07,630
some cases to get to the lower ones they

2654
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:11,410
had to excavate above it so when you

2655
02:14:14,970 --> 02:14:11,920
exit

2656
02:14:17,610 --> 02:14:14,980
Batum above to get below you destroy

2657
02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:17,620
what is above this is one of the big

2658
02:14:24,780 --> 02:14:21,340
problems with archeology you it is a

2659
02:14:27,689 --> 02:14:24,790
destructive process as you excavate in

2660
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:27,699
to get to the lowest layers you have to

2661
02:14:35,580 --> 02:14:32,890
destroy what is above if people go to my

2662
02:14:38,490 --> 02:14:35,590
website and then connect to the Oracle

2663
02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:38,500
website and start looking there they

2664
02:14:42,810 --> 02:14:40,390
will see right on the homepage of the

2665
02:14:45,180 --> 02:14:42,820
Oracle website a nice picture of what

2666
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:45,190
Quebec Lee top-paid looks like now and

2667
02:14:49,770 --> 02:14:47,890
if they scroll through or explore the

2668
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:49,780
website they'll see other pictures in

2669
02:14:53,010 --> 02:14:51,280
Quebec they type because I'm on my

2670
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,020
website so they can start having some

2671
02:14:58,380 --> 02:14:55,840
visual images of this the other thing

2672
02:15:01,470 --> 02:14:58,390
about answering your question is that

2673
02:15:04,650 --> 02:15:01,480
there's a whole other portion of Gobekli

2674
02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:04,660
Tepe right now which is off-limits to

2675
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:07,920
anyone where they are doing more

2676
02:15:14,610 --> 02:15:10,810
excavations and we don't know exactly

2677
02:15:16,740 --> 02:15:14,620
how old those that portion is it hasn't

2678
02:15:18,900 --> 02:15:16,750
been dated yet or exactly what's the I

2679
02:15:21,900 --> 02:15:18,910
mean I understand that they want to do a

2680
02:15:25,110 --> 02:15:21,910
certain level of excavation before they

2681
02:15:28,919 --> 02:15:25,120
release data but even before Klaus

2682
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:28,929
Schmidt passed away he was making

2683
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:30,730
statements that he thought portions

2684
02:15:36,840 --> 02:15:33,730
might be at least a couple thousand or

2685
02:15:39,740 --> 02:15:36,850
several thousand years older than the

2686
02:15:43,050 --> 02:15:39,750
later portions which themselves are

2687
02:15:46,439 --> 02:15:43,060
twelve thousand years old and then

2688
02:15:50,669 --> 02:15:46,449
another thing that ties in here is that

2689
02:15:54,060 --> 02:15:50,679
some of the Polar's that we see in the

2690
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:54,070
older portions already when I say

2691
02:15:57,780 --> 02:15:56,170
already boy less that we've excavated we

2692
02:16:01,140 --> 02:15:57,790
know they're older than some of the

2693
02:16:04,410 --> 02:16:01,150
later strata above some of those pillars

2694
02:16:07,950 --> 02:16:04,420
there's no doubt in my mind that they

2695
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:07,960
are being reused so we have older

2696
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:11,650
pillars they're being reused twelve

2697
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,040
thousand years ago they were you know

2698
02:16:19,530 --> 02:16:17,199
potentially artifacts to the Quebec

2699
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:19,540
lead-up they people so that pushes

2700
02:16:24,330 --> 02:16:21,760
things back and I'm not just saying this

2701
02:16:25,290 --> 02:16:24,340
Klaus Schmidt had actually come to the

2702
02:16:28,169 --> 02:16:25,300
same conclusion

2703
02:16:30,569 --> 02:16:28,179
before as I understand what he would has

2704
02:16:32,730 --> 02:16:30,579
written and what he said to me he came

2705
02:16:36,059 --> 02:16:32,740
to the same conclusion before he passed

2706
02:16:40,679 --> 02:16:36,069
away that some of the pillars that were

2707
02:16:42,299 --> 02:16:40,689
being used in the older portions that we

2708
02:16:45,690 --> 02:16:42,309
know of in Quebec we thought they are

2709
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:45,700
themselves older still or to give

2710
02:16:50,339 --> 02:16:48,130
another example there's in the earth of

2711
02:16:52,349 --> 02:16:50,349
Museum what's known as sort of a totem

2712
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:52,359
pole looks sort of like a stone totem

2713
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:55,210
pole that was found in a context in a

2714
02:17:00,690 --> 02:16:58,240
wall where it was being reused in a

2715
02:17:03,209 --> 02:17:00,700
later structure that later structure of

2716
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:03,219
course being incredibly ancient already

2717
02:17:10,259 --> 02:17:07,330
but it indicates that that pillar was

2718
02:17:12,540 --> 02:17:10,269
even older was maybe even being

2719
02:17:15,570 --> 02:17:12,550
venerated by the people of Quebec we

2720
02:17:18,750 --> 02:17:15,580
Pepe is an older artifact now and when

2721
02:17:22,530 --> 02:17:18,760
we talk about the possibility of other

2722
02:17:28,049 --> 02:17:22,540
sites and and maybe even older sites in

2723
02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:28,059
the area a few months ago bonk ooh clue

2724
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:32,950
tarah was was released out into the

2725
02:17:40,770 --> 02:17:36,729
public and what do we know about that

2726
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:40,780
site well I don't know a lot of we don't

2727
02:17:47,580 --> 02:17:43,120
know a lot about right now but it seems

2728
02:17:50,509 --> 02:17:47,590
to be a very old site you know how

2729
02:17:56,730 --> 02:17:50,519
comfortable to Quebec wait that Bay and

2730
02:17:58,679 --> 02:17:56,740
I think really indicates that you know I

2731
02:18:01,770 --> 02:17:58,689
hate to use the cliche but we're looking

2732
02:18:06,809 --> 02:18:01,780
at the clip of what they say the tip of

2733
02:18:11,580 --> 02:18:06,819
the iceberg proverbial iceberg right is

2734
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:11,590
it is it representing the possibility

2735
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:14,880
that this I'm gonna just a belief system

2736
02:18:24,059 --> 02:18:20,130
right this tradition of Gobekli Tepe

2737
02:18:27,419 --> 02:18:24,069
could have been a part of the culture

2738
02:18:31,290 --> 02:18:27,429
going across the land where gobekli tepe

2739
02:18:35,130 --> 02:18:31,300
wasn't a singular situation that this

2740
02:18:38,041 --> 02:18:35,140
was an established belief system

2741
02:18:41,010 --> 02:18:38,051
across the highlands yeah no I think it

2742
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:41,020
could definitely be the case and I might

2743
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,850
have been but you know I hate here's a

2744
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:48,000
problem I have personally when

2745
02:18:52,710 --> 02:18:50,170
archeologists don't know what something

2746
02:18:54,810 --> 02:18:52,720
is they tend to call it a temple and

2747
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:54,820
that turns into a religious site and

2748
02:18:59,640 --> 02:18:57,250
belief system or if they it's not a

2749
02:19:05,820 --> 02:18:59,650
temple that becomes a tomb it's a temple

2750
02:19:08,430 --> 02:19:05,830
or a tomb which I think sometimes not

2751
02:19:11,100 --> 02:19:08,440
nullifies but it simplifies what

2752
02:19:14,760 --> 02:19:11,110
probably for the people which was a much

2753
02:19:17,730 --> 02:19:14,770
more complex system if that makes sense

2754
02:19:19,380 --> 02:19:17,740
it does so I don't want to denigrate it

2755
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:19,390
too much in a sense of trying to

2756
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:21,760
oversimplify but in terms of a

2757
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:25,210
philosophy of belief civil is I can't

2758
02:19:33,331 --> 02:19:29,290
talk philosophy philosophy belief system

2759
02:19:36,510 --> 02:19:33,341
set of values a culture a civilization

2760
02:19:38,100 --> 02:19:36,520
whatever you want to call it I think it

2761
02:19:40,770 --> 02:19:38,110
was probably you know it could have been

2762
02:19:43,950 --> 02:19:40,780
quite widespread and you had served

2763
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:43,960
centers just like we do nowadays centers

2764
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:47,920
of learning centers of education centers

2765
02:19:56,461 --> 02:19:53,740
of religion you know I it's it's hard to

2766
02:19:59,820 --> 02:19:56,471
know because I also don't want to impose

2767
02:20:04,740 --> 02:19:59,830
our system and values too much on those

2768
02:20:09,150 --> 02:20:04,750
people but we can draw analogies well

2769
02:20:12,930 --> 02:20:09,160
and I want before we're gonna say

2770
02:20:15,900 --> 02:20:12,940
goodnight there is it's it's not just

2771
02:20:17,430 --> 02:20:15,910
gobekli tepe for me personally and I

2772
02:20:25,291 --> 02:20:17,440
brought this up many times over the

2773
02:20:30,081 --> 02:20:25,301
years and that is carahunge yes and you

2774
02:20:35,220 --> 02:20:30,091
know it's it's a situation there where

2775
02:20:37,230 --> 02:20:35,230
yes the similarities with Stonehenge are

2776
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:37,240
there you know because of what they

2777
02:20:43,070 --> 02:20:39,730
represent that's fine the carriage is

2778
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:43,080
different it's a it's a definite

2779
02:20:50,110 --> 02:20:46,970
astronomical observation site with holes

2780
02:20:53,639 --> 02:20:50,120
are drilled through the upright

2781
02:20:57,010 --> 02:20:53,649
megalithic stones that you align and

2782
02:21:01,389 --> 02:20:57,020
look through and observe constellations

2783
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:01,399
and stars through them again it predates

2784
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:04,479
Stonehenge by a couple of thousand years

2785
02:21:11,800 --> 02:21:08,960
and it represents a knowledge and a

2786
02:21:15,460 --> 02:21:11,810
technology that they clearly understood

2787
02:21:17,490 --> 02:21:15,470
didn't they yeah no but now I think this

2788
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:17,500
is an interesting topic because

2789
02:21:22,830 --> 02:21:19,850
Stonehenge and you are talking into

2790
02:21:26,979 --> 02:21:22,840
traditional dating for Stonehenge and

2791
02:21:29,710 --> 02:21:26,989
all of these sites and and my assessment

2792
02:21:32,110 --> 02:21:29,720
as I've been looking at them a lot of

2793
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:32,120
them how do I want to say this

2794
02:21:38,309 --> 02:21:35,510
just like the Sphinx they were used and

2795
02:21:41,500 --> 02:21:38,319
they were reused and they were rebuilt

2796
02:21:44,380 --> 02:21:41,510
one of the beauties of Quebec Lee Tepe

2797
02:21:48,580 --> 02:21:44,390
is that it wasn't reused and rebuilt it

2798
02:21:52,030 --> 02:21:48,590
was buried purposefully so it actually

2799
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:52,040
has retained a certain pristine aspect

2800
02:21:59,710 --> 02:21:55,850
to it versus Stonehenge has been mucked

2801
02:22:01,870 --> 02:21:59,720
about with the Sphinx was certainly that

2802
02:22:04,660 --> 02:22:01,880
case but where I'm going with this

2803
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:04,670
is that you're correct about the

2804
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:07,040
traditional dates of Stonehenge but

2805
02:22:11,050 --> 02:22:09,380
there were other structures there go and

2806
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:11,060
this has now been demonstrated going

2807
02:22:17,019 --> 02:22:14,479
back thousands of years earlier so we

2808
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:17,029
seem to have this level of

2809
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:20,720
sophistication in many parts of the

2810
02:22:28,059 --> 02:22:26,210
world a very very early age now whether

2811
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:28,069
it's Armenia whether it's Quebec we

2812
02:22:36,490 --> 02:22:30,410
today whether it's Stonehenge even going

2813
02:22:39,219 --> 02:22:36,500
into parts of the Americas Goodman

2814
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:39,229
Padang I'm convinced in Java

2815
02:22:46,620 --> 02:22:43,010
Katie and I had the chance to visit that

2816
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:46,630
site a few years ago we have I think

2817
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:52,250
globally indications of high culture and

2818
02:22:58,420 --> 02:22:55,010
civilization a high level of

2819
02:22:59,880 --> 02:22:58,430
sophistication going back to this remote

2820
02:23:04,690 --> 02:22:59,890
period

2821
02:23:07,660 --> 02:23:04,700
is it well let me let me jump in and see

2822
02:23:09,519 --> 02:23:07,670
if I can make a point and and you can

2823
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:09,529
let me know if I'm just stepping way out

2824
02:23:18,700 --> 02:23:14,000
of bounds but is it possible that the

2825
02:23:22,260 --> 02:23:18,710
ideas and and possibly pagan okay I want

2826
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:22,270
to use that word specifically with

2827
02:23:35,740 --> 02:23:29,120
carahunge and Stonehenge is it possible

2828
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:35,750
that there was a migration of people

2829
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:40,640
across you know through and over Europe

2830
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:43,130
over to Great Britain where the

2831
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,399
construction of of Stonehenge happened

2832
02:23:52,750 --> 02:23:48,800
possibly from the same culture from the

2833
02:23:54,340 --> 02:23:52,760
same ideas that were we're done over in

2834
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:54,350
Karen's a couple of thousand dollars

2835
02:24:01,150 --> 02:23:56,960
before I've actually I've actually I'm

2836
02:24:05,019 --> 02:24:01,160
not going to judge personally right now

2837
02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:05,029
on this radio program whether that's the

2838
02:24:10,690 --> 02:24:08,000
case or not because I think we have not

2839
02:24:14,700 --> 02:24:10,700
enough evidence and data points to say

2840
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:14,710
definitively but on the other hand you

2841
02:24:22,269 --> 02:24:18,890
you are not the first person that I've

2842
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:22,279
heard suggest this and based based on

2843
02:24:26,740 --> 02:24:25,130
good data but we don't have a lot of

2844
02:24:29,860 --> 02:24:26,750
data points in which way does the

2845
02:24:31,870 --> 02:24:29,870
migration go etc etc I tend to think

2846
02:24:35,769 --> 02:24:31,880
right now based on the evidence that we

2847
02:24:38,170 --> 02:24:35,779
have is that you have interconnection

2848
02:24:41,160 --> 02:24:38,180
should I say that between the different

2849
02:24:46,450 --> 02:24:41,170
areas you have exchange of ideas

2850
02:24:49,090 --> 02:24:46,460
exchange of information so was it

2851
02:24:52,210 --> 02:24:49,100
physically people migrate and resettling

2852
02:24:54,429 --> 02:24:52,220
or just be in contact with each other I

2853
02:24:56,650 --> 02:24:54,439
don't know but I think we certainly have

2854
02:24:59,080 --> 02:24:56,660
to look at those possibilities something

2855
02:25:02,110 --> 02:24:59,090
that I got involved with and I still

2856
02:25:03,729 --> 02:25:02,120
find of great interest earlier should we

2857
02:25:06,729 --> 02:25:03,739
say in my career because I haven't spent

2858
02:25:08,410 --> 02:25:06,739
a lot of time on recently was they hold

2859
02:25:12,490 --> 02:25:08,420
dogma

2860
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:12,500
of transoceanic voyages in remote

2861
02:25:20,439 --> 02:25:17,090
ancient times and that was so much yeah

2862
02:25:23,050 --> 02:25:20,449
there's so much dogma that the Americas

2863
02:25:25,719 --> 02:25:23,060
were toys as separate and distinct from

2864
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:25,729
the old world whether it was old world

2865
02:25:32,649 --> 02:25:30,170
Asia or old world Europe in Africa and

2866
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:32,659
that there was no contact between them

2867
02:25:37,090 --> 02:25:34,850
before Columbus and then we found out

2868
02:25:40,059 --> 02:25:37,100
about the Vikings or the Norseman who

2869
02:25:43,960 --> 02:25:40,069
actually had made it earlier and now

2870
02:25:46,330 --> 02:25:43,970
there's so much evidence that there even

2871
02:25:48,570 --> 02:25:46,340
earlier connections so I think we're

2872
02:25:52,750 --> 02:25:48,580
seeing the same thing when we go back to

2873
02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:52,760
much further much further dates yeah and

2874
02:25:57,189 --> 02:25:55,850
why and I want to mention too that the

2875
02:25:59,229 --> 02:25:57,199
whole Clovis I don't know if your

2876
02:25:59,860 --> 02:25:59,239
audience knows about Clovis when I was

2877
02:26:01,630 --> 02:25:59,870
in college

2878
02:26:03,969 --> 02:26:01,640
oh the first people in America were the

2879
02:26:05,740 --> 02:26:03,979
Clovis people now we know that they go

2880
02:26:08,920 --> 02:26:05,750
back there were connections and

2881
02:26:10,809 --> 02:26:08,930
including with Europe thousands and

2882
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:10,819
thousands of years earlier than that so

2883
02:26:14,860 --> 02:26:12,890
all these dates are getting pushed back

2884
02:26:17,139 --> 02:26:14,870
are so many dates are being pushed back

2885
02:26:19,719 --> 02:26:17,149
and so much more information is coming

2886
02:26:24,610 --> 02:26:19,729
out that there were connections over

2887
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:24,620
vast distances in incredibly ancient

2888
02:26:31,599 --> 02:26:27,290
times well and we have to ask ourselves

2889
02:26:35,649 --> 02:26:31,609
as we are about to say goodnight is it a

2890
02:26:38,889 --> 02:26:35,659
situation where it was just the

2891
02:26:41,019 --> 02:26:38,899
development of Homo sapiens and these

2892
02:26:43,170 --> 02:26:41,029
things would have just happened anyway

2893
02:26:47,410 --> 02:26:43,180
around the wall I don't believe that

2894
02:26:50,519 --> 02:26:47,420
perspective or or was there a central

2895
02:26:53,260 --> 02:26:50,529
point of information and instruction and

2896
02:26:58,360 --> 02:26:53,270
and all of this stuff was taught and

2897
02:27:00,639 --> 02:26:58,370
learned from a higher civilization that

2898
02:27:03,219 --> 02:27:00,649
we don't know anything about today and

2899
02:27:05,410 --> 02:27:03,229
we are starting to figure it out right

2900
02:27:06,910 --> 02:27:05,420
and I think that's where we are I think

2901
02:27:08,679 --> 02:27:06,920
that's where we are I think we're

2902
02:27:11,110 --> 02:27:08,689
starting to find out we're starting to

2903
02:27:14,500 --> 02:27:11,120
learn about it I don't know if we

2904
02:27:17,099 --> 02:27:14,510
ultimately in 10 years or 20 years or

2905
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:17,109
even two years we'll be talking about

2906
02:27:22,929 --> 02:27:20,090
gobekli tepe as the point

2907
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,939
I don't know I mean Quebec we today may

2908
02:27:26,830 --> 02:27:24,800
just be and I'm not putting Quebec Lea

2909
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:26,840
Tempe down on it may just be a site

2910
02:27:32,650 --> 02:27:29,930
right now that we're aware of a waypoint

2911
02:27:34,990 --> 02:27:32,660
in a waypoint but it may be that we find

2912
02:27:37,150 --> 02:27:35,000
something else where we say oh well then

2913
02:27:39,099 --> 02:27:37,160
this is even older and that may be the

2914
02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:39,109
point where it all began so that's

2915
02:27:43,690 --> 02:27:41,570
that's a tricky thing but I don't

2916
02:27:47,650 --> 02:27:43,700
believe for a second I think it's a very

2917
02:27:50,469 --> 02:27:47,660
old fashioned notion that somehow oh you

2918
02:27:52,599 --> 02:27:50,479
know in the old world in the new world

2919
02:27:55,960 --> 02:27:52,609
more less in the Americas versus to

2920
02:27:57,969 --> 02:27:55,970
Europe and Africa just because humans

2921
02:28:01,060 --> 02:27:57,979
are who humans they sort of follow the

2922
02:28:04,179 --> 02:28:01,070
same trajectory oh they'll all develop X

2923
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:04,189
Y & Z eventually so it's not that they

2924
02:28:07,780 --> 02:28:05,810
were in connected with each other I

2925
02:28:09,730 --> 02:28:07,790
think that's nonsense and I think that

2926
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:09,740
the actual evidence shows that's

2927
02:28:16,389 --> 02:28:13,040
nonsense there are just too many

2928
02:28:22,450 --> 02:28:16,399
similarities and too many specific

2929
02:28:26,620 --> 02:28:22,460
details that I think precludes will call

2930
02:28:30,280 --> 02:28:26,630
parallel evolution or parallel cultural

2931
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:30,290
development that's right and dr. Schaack

2932
02:28:34,110 --> 02:28:33,050
robert thank you so much what a great

2933
02:28:36,969 --> 02:28:34,120
show tonight

2934
02:28:40,840 --> 02:28:36,979
thank you it's always fine but you know

2935
02:28:43,599 --> 02:28:40,850
what happens we always two hours but two

2936
02:28:45,400 --> 02:28:43,609
hours passes by so quickly yes and I

2937
02:28:48,310 --> 02:28:45,410
can't wait to do it again and please

2938
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:48,320
give my best to Katy and I'm looking

2939
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:50,240
forward just like everybody else is to

2940
02:28:54,580 --> 02:28:52,130
this new documentary and everybody can

2941
02:28:57,460 --> 02:28:54,590
go and contribute over at Robert Shaw

2942
02:28:59,650 --> 02:28:57,470
comm and and and also through Oracle and

2943
02:29:02,620 --> 02:28:59,660
all of that information is right there

2944
02:29:04,389 --> 02:29:02,630
in your website again be safe and be

2945
02:29:06,340 --> 02:29:04,399
well and our thoughts and prayers are

2946
02:29:08,349 --> 02:29:06,350
with you and your family and the recent

2947
02:29:10,660 --> 02:29:08,359
passing of your father too as well okay

2948
02:29:12,580 --> 02:29:10,670
thank you so much thank you so much I

2949
02:29:16,270 --> 02:29:12,590
appreciate that you're the best Robert

2950
02:29:19,389 --> 02:29:16,280
have a great day and with that that's

2951
02:29:22,150 --> 02:29:19,399
our go Beckley Tepe a special event and

2952
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:22,160
yeah I'm looking at the count and I

2953
02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:26,479
think right 120 121 dr. Schaack is

2954
02:29:31,780 --> 02:29:29,570
absolutely the very best I want

2955
02:29:34,060 --> 02:29:31,790
everybody to go and visit Robert Schoch

2956
02:29:38,350 --> 02:29:34,070
com the links are over to me

2957
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:38,360
radio.com the documentary is shot now it

2958
02:29:44,170 --> 02:29:40,850
needs to be completed and distributed of

2959
02:29:46,750 --> 02:29:44,180
a distributed of course and all of your

2960
02:29:50,380 --> 02:29:46,760
help is appreciated going visit Robert

2961
02:29:53,020 --> 02:29:50,390
Schoch comm I am going to take a quick

2962
02:29:56,380 --> 02:29:53,030
break right here I need it and I know

2963
02:29:59,230 --> 02:29:56,390
all of you do too I'll be back and I

2964
02:30:02,290 --> 02:29:59,240
will open up the phone lines and we will

2965
02:30:04,770 --> 02:30:02,300
continue the gobekli tepe count after

2966
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:04,780
this short break stay with us

2967
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you are listen to my boy Jimmy Church

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JCR to research radio drama

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welcome back fade to black I am your

3035
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:14,811
host Jimmy Church our gobekli tepe

3036
02:34:20,900 --> 02:34:17,220
special event what a great show thank

3037
02:34:25,070 --> 02:34:20,910
you dr. Schaack absolutely incredible

3038
02:34:29,210 --> 02:34:25,080
and I've opened up the phone lines seven

3039
02:34:31,341 --> 02:34:29,220
for seven and two to eight two zero five

3040
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:31,351
one seven four seven two two eight two

3041
02:34:36,980 --> 02:34:34,800
zero five one and if you're on hold just

3042
02:34:42,100 --> 02:34:36,990
stay right there I will get two calls in

3043
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:42,110
just a second but the the importance of

3044
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:47,130
Gobekli Tepe it cannot be measured and

3045
02:34:57,020 --> 02:34:52,730
that that's it that's it it is such an

3046
02:35:00,950 --> 02:34:57,030
important historical place that I don't

3047
02:35:06,970 --> 02:35:00,960
understand why gobekli tepe

3048
02:35:11,091 --> 02:35:06,980
is not on major network news it is

3049
02:35:14,330 --> 02:35:11,101
historically so important and we don't

3050
02:35:16,610 --> 02:35:14,340
have a concept we do not we do not have

3051
02:35:19,940 --> 02:35:16,620
a concept of the amount of time in the

3052
02:35:23,960 --> 02:35:19,950
age of what we are referencing here we

3053
02:35:27,801 --> 02:35:23,970
don't we clearly we do not and here in

3054
02:35:30,770 --> 02:35:27,811
the United States we where things are

3055
02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:30,780
only just a couple of hundred years old

3056
02:35:38,591 --> 02:35:34,530
that's it that's it and depending on the

3057
02:35:41,890 --> 02:35:38,601
city where you live things are less than

3058
02:35:45,730 --> 02:35:41,900
for example about a hundred years old

3059
02:35:50,480 --> 02:35:45,740
where something is considered antique in

3060
02:35:53,150 --> 02:35:50,490
your town if it's fifty years old these

3061
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:53,160
are the concepts that I'm talking about

3062
02:36:04,040 --> 02:35:56,250
when we are dealing with something like

3063
02:36:08,200 --> 02:36:04,050
a gobekli tepe 12,000 years 7,000 years

3064
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:08,210
older than giza or ancient Sumer and

3065
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:15,330
Mesopotamia 7,000 years and to put that

3066
02:36:21,500 --> 02:36:18,240
into context in just that right there if

3067
02:36:25,219 --> 02:36:21,510
you go back to ancient Greece or ancient

3068
02:36:28,250 --> 02:36:25,229
room and you go back to the United

3069
02:36:30,679 --> 02:36:28,260
Kingdom when Rome entered the United

3070
02:36:31,690 --> 02:36:30,689
Kingdom and when they left its 2,000

3071
02:36:34,460 --> 02:36:31,700
years ago

3072
02:36:37,700 --> 02:36:34,470
that's it that's it

3073
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:37,710
ancient Greece the earliest that we can

3074
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:40,319
go back there that we have record of 600

3075
02:36:47,599 --> 02:36:44,670
BC right and dr. Schaack and Rome 400 BC

3076
02:36:52,340 --> 02:36:47,609
300 BC and even at these time periods

3077
02:36:53,269 --> 02:36:52,350
Rome was mud huts wasn't Rome like you

3078
02:36:56,780 --> 02:36:53,279
know it today

3079
02:36:59,719 --> 02:36:56,790
but looking at it like that

3080
02:37:03,200 --> 02:36:59,729
when dr. Schaack made one statement

3081
02:37:07,969 --> 02:37:03,210
today of many that was so important and

3082
02:37:10,730 --> 02:37:07,979
that is if you revealed the t pillars to

3083
02:37:12,530 --> 02:37:10,740
an archaeologist that didn't know

3084
02:37:15,740 --> 02:37:12,540
anything about gobekli tepe but just

3085
02:37:19,429 --> 02:37:15,750
observed the t pillars and the art that

3086
02:37:24,769 --> 02:37:19,439
is represented there in 3d relief they

3087
02:37:29,719 --> 02:37:24,779
would say well okay 600 BC right

3088
02:37:31,730 --> 02:37:29,729
that's how advanced gobekli tepe is we

3089
02:37:36,730 --> 02:37:31,740
need to think about it in those terms

3090
02:37:42,860 --> 02:37:36,740
and it is a you know 12,000 years old

3091
02:37:45,410 --> 02:37:42,870
12,000 is it just a waypoint the the

3092
02:37:49,010 --> 02:37:45,420
closing argument for me and all of this

3093
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:49,020
would be and it's going to happen it's

3094
02:37:56,500 --> 02:37:51,840
just a matter of when and where there is

3095
02:37:59,300 --> 02:37:56,510
going to be another site that is

3096
02:38:03,700 --> 02:37:59,310
discovered that is ten thousand years

3097
02:38:08,870 --> 02:38:03,710
older you watch it's going to happen and

3098
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:08,880
at that point what do we do because it

3099
02:38:13,670 --> 02:38:11,010
goes against the grain of everything our

3100
02:38:17,630 --> 02:38:13,680
entire belief system and everything that

3101
02:38:19,849 --> 02:38:17,640
has been shown to us in in education

3102
02:38:22,639 --> 02:38:19,859
goes against the grain of absolute

3103
02:38:26,809 --> 02:38:22,649
everything and now we tip things over

3104
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:26,819
it's going to happen gobekli tepe wasn't

3105
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:29,130
supposed to happen you need to

3106
02:38:35,371 --> 02:38:32,880
understand that right that's it that's

3107
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:35,381
it the door was closed

3108
02:38:41,850 --> 02:38:39,280
I'm the historical record 3000 BC that's

3109
02:38:45,241 --> 02:38:41,860
it I did there is no discussion there's

3110
02:38:48,360 --> 02:38:45,251
nothing to to see here and now we have

3111
02:38:51,180 --> 02:38:48,370
gobekli tepe so here we go let's go to

3112
02:38:55,650 --> 02:38:51,190
the phones hi you're live on fade to

3113
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:55,660
black who's calling all right hi Kevin

3114
02:39:00,060 --> 02:38:58,240
hi Jimmy this is Kevin from West

3115
02:39:03,091 --> 02:39:00,070
Virginia how you doing Kevin everything

3116
02:39:05,671 --> 02:39:03,101
good out there yeah pretty good I just

3117
02:39:06,091 --> 02:39:05,681
had to call in so I could say gobekli

3118
02:39:08,071 --> 02:39:06,101
tepe

3119
02:39:14,970 --> 02:39:08,081
yeah right on and how did you do on the

3120
02:39:17,251 --> 02:39:14,980
gobekli tepe count man did you do i I

3121
02:39:22,921 --> 02:39:17,261
had to put it down because too many

3122
02:39:27,541 --> 02:39:22,931
shots you saw the picture I posted right

3123
02:39:30,541 --> 02:39:27,551
that wasn't mine but yeah like I said a

3124
02:39:34,110 --> 02:39:30,551
very very interesting conversation every

3125
02:39:37,071 --> 02:39:34,120
time Robert comes on it's just a

3126
02:39:40,201 --> 02:39:37,081
fascinating fascinating subject that

3127
02:39:44,850 --> 02:39:40,211
what the official story is they're

3128
02:39:47,970 --> 02:39:44,860
telling us and the unofficial story is

3129
02:39:50,251 --> 02:39:47,980
much older and like you said at some

3130
02:39:52,951 --> 02:39:50,261
point we're going to find even things

3131
02:39:56,491 --> 02:39:52,961
that are over on this planet and it's

3132
02:39:58,531 --> 02:39:56,501
going to happen and and this is let me

3133
02:40:00,501 --> 02:39:58,541
ask you direct question Kevin before

3134
02:40:04,881 --> 02:40:00,511
fade to black

3135
02:40:09,541 --> 02:40:04,891
had you heard about gobekli tepe

3136
02:40:14,041 --> 02:40:09,551
to be honest with you no exactly and so

3137
02:40:18,091 --> 02:40:14,051
it did were you inspired to go and do

3138
02:40:21,871 --> 02:40:18,101
your own research about gobekli tepe yes

3139
02:40:26,281 --> 02:40:21,881
I was and and was our yeah go ahead

3140
02:40:27,270 --> 02:40:26,291
archaeology yeah archaeology and stuff

3141
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:27,280
from the ancient world

3142
02:40:33,270 --> 02:40:30,160
it's it's fascinating to know that at

3143
02:40:37,201 --> 02:40:33,280
some point there is more advanced

3144
02:40:38,730 --> 02:40:37,211
cultures on this planet and you know

3145
02:40:41,491 --> 02:40:38,740
through the mists of time they say that

3146
02:40:44,491 --> 02:40:41,501
I know that's cliche but stuff like that

3147
02:40:46,671 --> 02:40:44,501
gets erased until it's refound and again

3148
02:40:48,540 --> 02:40:46,681
it goes against the establishment or

3149
02:40:52,350 --> 02:40:48,550
like you said

3150
02:40:54,480 --> 02:40:52,360
the the historical record when something

3151
02:40:56,610 --> 02:40:54,490
much older is sound because it upsets

3152
02:41:00,030 --> 02:40:56,620
the apple cart it does upset the

3153
02:41:01,171 --> 02:41:00,040
applecart and when you heard about

3154
02:41:04,440 --> 02:41:01,181
gobekli tepe

3155
02:41:06,841 --> 02:41:04,450
and these things that were being

3156
02:41:10,171 --> 02:41:06,851
discussed on fade to black I'm sure you

3157
02:41:13,320 --> 02:41:10,181
went through a brief period of this

3158
02:41:15,180 --> 02:41:13,330
can't be right and then you go and you

3159
02:41:18,810 --> 02:41:15,190
do your research and you find out that

3160
02:41:21,301 --> 02:41:18,820
not only gobekli tepe is real but these

3161
02:41:22,921 --> 02:41:21,311
are facts and and things that are now

3162
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:22,931
documented and are part of the

3163
02:41:30,330 --> 02:41:25,840
historical record and it's 12,000 years

3164
02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:30,340
old what went through your mind when

3165
02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:33,610
when that came to light like like said I

3166
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:36,370
was doing research it's like well it's

3167
02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:39,690
it's my first my first indication was

3168
02:41:45,810 --> 02:41:43,210
have we been lied to and not necessarily

3169
02:41:49,461 --> 02:41:45,820
but once the facts are presented I

3170
02:41:53,160 --> 02:41:49,471
remember seeing the film about the

3171
02:41:57,301 --> 02:41:53,170
pyramids and especially the the Sphinx

3172
02:42:00,240 --> 02:41:57,311
that Robert was part of along with jaws

3173
02:42:03,841 --> 02:42:00,250
John Anthony West narrated by Charlton

3174
02:42:06,780 --> 02:42:03,851
Heston and that fascinated me to know

3175
02:42:10,801 --> 02:42:06,790
that it was water erosion instead of

3176
02:42:14,671 --> 02:42:10,811
wind at a point in time that it was much

3177
02:42:19,110 --> 02:42:14,681
fertile in that area and that's what's

3178
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:19,120
most important is is for people to go

3179
02:42:27,211 --> 02:42:23,530
and research something on your own you

3180
02:42:28,860 --> 02:42:27,221
can listen to all of the radio

3181
02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:28,870
programming that you want you can read

3182
02:42:33,631 --> 02:42:30,610
all of the books that you are you can

3183
02:42:37,080 --> 02:42:33,641
watch the documentaries it's when you go

3184
02:42:39,660 --> 02:42:37,090
and you find out stuff for yourself when

3185
02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:39,670
it's not being force-fed to you right

3186
02:42:43,350 --> 02:42:41,170
and I'm talking about alternative

3187
02:42:47,160 --> 02:42:43,360
theories and fringe science and these

3188
02:42:49,530 --> 02:42:47,170
ideas that stuff is presented to you it

3189
02:42:54,110 --> 02:42:49,540
has a whole nother effect when you go

3190
02:43:00,360 --> 02:42:57,360
yeah by doing your own research no

3191
02:43:02,550 --> 02:43:00,370
matter what subject it is that that is

3192
02:43:04,679 --> 02:43:02,560
you discovering

3193
02:43:07,050 --> 02:43:04,689
and that's that's what I that's my

3194
02:43:09,510 --> 02:43:07,060
purpose is to discover things because I

3195
02:43:12,330 --> 02:43:09,520
don't know everything and I don't

3196
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:12,340
pretend to so when when I find something

3197
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:16,090
on my own or something drives me to that

3198
02:43:19,679 --> 02:43:18,850
research it's like okay I've learned

3199
02:43:21,450 --> 02:43:19,689
something new today

3200
02:43:22,920 --> 02:43:21,460
and to me that's what it's all about

3201
02:43:27,330 --> 02:43:22,930
thank you so much Kevin

3202
02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:27,340
and Gobekli Tepe Thank You Jimmy Gobekli

3203
02:43:36,990 --> 02:43:31,770
Tepe talking about Kevin in West

3204
02:43:39,929 --> 02:43:37,000
Virginia and it's it's all about doing

3205
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,939
your own research you know and that you

3206
02:43:43,590 --> 02:43:41,920
know with fade to black and and other

3207
02:43:46,980 --> 02:43:43,600
programs out there right you hear

3208
02:43:49,800 --> 02:43:46,990
something write it down you go and and

3209
02:43:53,130 --> 02:43:49,810
figure things out on your own and that's

3210
02:43:54,330 --> 02:43:53,140
what also it sticks with you too as well

3211
02:43:56,010 --> 02:43:54,340
so go back to the phones

3212
02:44:02,570 --> 02:43:56,020
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3213
02:44:07,530 --> 02:44:02,580
calling no Jimmy yes how you doing Joe

3214
02:44:10,260 --> 02:44:07,540
Hey Joe how are you tonight man okay man

3215
02:44:12,960 --> 02:44:10,270
I'm not sure I can tell that to be very

3216
02:44:15,690 --> 02:44:12,970
honest and they're really up and pissed

3217
02:44:16,980 --> 02:44:15,700
off at myself quote-unquote you know

3218
02:44:18,990 --> 02:44:16,990
we've been trying to catch up a little

3219
02:44:20,460 --> 02:44:19,000
sleepy work every night you were this

3220
02:44:26,490 --> 02:44:20,470
special thing with you know your

3221
02:44:29,190 --> 02:44:26,500
security out here for like weeks you

3222
02:44:31,769 --> 02:44:29,200
know I wake up they've got left half

3223
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:31,779
hour hours I'm lucky you know it's not

3224
02:44:35,790 --> 02:44:32,290
funny

3225
02:44:38,010 --> 02:44:35,800
it kills day you know I understand Joe I

3226
02:44:42,860 --> 02:44:38,020
totally understand but what do you think

3227
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:42,870
about our gobekli tepe special tonight

3228
02:44:50,309 --> 02:44:45,850
well I put chosen to certain categories

3229
02:44:52,410 --> 02:44:50,319
uh Jimmy like I tonight I recall the

3230
02:44:54,059 --> 02:44:52,420
term this is a teaching night you know

3231
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:54,069
what I'm saying I do

3232
02:44:59,540 --> 02:44:57,010
well you guess it's certainly a teaching

3233
02:45:03,269 --> 02:44:59,550
you like you like that's Billy Carson

3234
02:45:08,490 --> 02:45:03,279
there Paul that dude with the templates

3235
02:45:12,300 --> 02:45:08,500
the Paul Walters or something uh Scott

3236
02:45:14,820 --> 02:45:12,310
Walker Scott Walker yeah Peter yes yeah

3237
02:45:16,110 --> 02:45:14,830
I teach is some are just kind of like

3238
02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:16,120
personalities

3239
02:45:21,450 --> 02:45:19,090
you know what I'm saying but I yeah he's

3240
02:45:23,011 --> 02:45:21,460
very good and I do want to catch it on a

3241
02:45:26,130 --> 02:45:23,021
youtube I'm hoping to put it out like

3242
02:45:27,540 --> 02:45:26,140
like tomorrow or something yeah it's up

3243
02:45:28,830 --> 02:45:27,550
there you know you can go and watch it

3244
02:45:31,801 --> 02:45:28,840
it's up on YouTube

3245
02:45:34,591 --> 02:45:31,811
well it's playing live it's playing live

3246
02:45:36,841 --> 02:45:34,601
right now on YouTube but it'll be

3247
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:36,851
available right after the show as it

3248
02:45:45,660 --> 02:45:41,650
just a normal show yeah yeah you know I

3249
02:45:48,511 --> 02:45:45,670
definitely show but he was very good the

3250
02:45:50,040 --> 02:45:48,521
rest part he was very educated and it

3251
02:45:52,140 --> 02:45:50,050
really knew his talking and it's very

3252
02:45:55,110 --> 02:45:52,150
interesting so I'm definitely they give

3253
02:45:57,841 --> 02:45:55,120
it a good listen to thank you yeah I

3254
02:45:59,280 --> 02:45:57,851
just wanted I just wanted to check in

3255
02:46:01,051 --> 02:45:59,290
guys we haven't been in touch for a

3256
02:46:03,240 --> 02:46:01,061
while you know I just I don't you know

3257
02:46:05,580 --> 02:46:03,250
it's still out here it's all good Joe

3258
02:46:11,341 --> 02:46:05,590
you know that man so have a good night

3259
02:46:16,650 --> 02:46:11,351
and go back Lee tapi thank you so much

3260
02:46:21,570 --> 02:46:16,660
that's Joe in Staten Island and he's

3261
02:46:23,460 --> 02:46:21,580
right though he's right about probably

3262
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:23,470
the most important part when it comes to

3263
02:46:27,841 --> 02:46:26,110
Robert Schoch he is an educator he's a

3264
02:46:35,011 --> 02:46:27,851
professor he's a teacher that's what he

3265
02:46:37,051 --> 02:46:35,021
does and he is able to present from that

3266
02:46:39,210 --> 02:46:37,061
side of things and I love it I love it

3267
02:46:43,890 --> 02:46:39,220
I'm just like you I'm sitting here

3268
02:46:46,650 --> 02:46:43,900
soaking it up and there's a certain

3269
02:46:48,630 --> 02:46:46,660
amount of frustration that he is now

3270
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:48,640
quite used to he's acclimated to and

3271
02:46:52,620 --> 02:46:50,530
that is when you're presenting these

3272
02:46:54,930 --> 02:46:52,630
kinds of ideas out there to the world

3273
02:46:57,301 --> 02:46:54,940
you're gonna get pushed back you're

3274
02:46:59,070 --> 02:46:57,311
gonna get opposition and he has been

3275
02:47:01,320 --> 02:46:59,080
dealing with it since the very beginning

3276
02:47:03,660 --> 02:47:01,330
going back to 1992 and that's why I

3277
02:47:07,591 --> 02:47:03,670
brought that up tonight that if you're

3278
02:47:12,060 --> 02:47:07,601
gonna go and and buck up against the

3279
02:47:14,280 --> 02:47:12,070
establishment you need to do it in a way

3280
02:47:17,970 --> 02:47:14,290
that people understand you just can't go

3281
02:47:20,100 --> 02:47:17,980
way outside and and and not be clear on

3282
02:47:22,530 --> 02:47:20,110
what you are trying to say in what you

3283
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:22,540
are trying to present and that's what

3284
02:47:27,360 --> 02:47:24,640
dr. Schaack does he does it in a way

3285
02:47:28,399 --> 02:47:27,370
that we all can understand and that

3286
02:47:31,579 --> 02:47:28,409
includes

3287
02:47:36,050 --> 02:47:31,589
rest of academia I am so glad that he is

3288
02:47:39,139 --> 02:47:36,060
tenured and that he is able to be

3289
02:47:42,559 --> 02:47:39,149
comfortable in his position and the

3290
02:47:44,929 --> 02:47:42,569
position is this you are a rebel and

3291
02:47:46,669 --> 02:47:44,939
he's always been a rebel but you don't

3292
02:47:48,829 --> 02:47:46,679
want to have a threat to your employment

3293
02:47:51,199 --> 02:47:48,839
you don't want to have questions you

3294
02:47:54,409 --> 02:47:51,209
don't want to you know no once you are

3295
02:47:57,559 --> 02:47:54,419
in a position of being a tenured

3296
02:48:00,409 --> 02:47:57,569
professor certainly at a school like

3297
02:48:03,649 --> 02:48:00,419
Boston University you are able to come

3298
02:48:06,409 --> 02:48:03,659
at this a lot stronger with a lot more

3299
02:48:09,559 --> 02:48:06,419
confidence you don't have to tiptoe he

3300
02:48:12,050 --> 02:48:09,569
has said back back in the day he had to

3301
02:48:14,689 --> 02:48:12,060
tiptoe you know and there was a question

3302
02:48:17,869 --> 02:48:14,699
of when he was up for tenure do you want

3303
02:48:21,800 --> 02:48:17,879
to go in and and just ruffle all of

3304
02:48:25,340 --> 02:48:21,810
these feathers and maybe jeopardize his

3305
02:48:29,479 --> 02:48:25,350
career you know and so you are going to

3306
02:48:32,329 --> 02:48:29,489
approach this a little more mildly but

3307
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:32,339
now he doesn't have to do that and I

3308
02:48:37,939 --> 02:48:34,770
have to respect him so much today

3309
02:48:40,789 --> 02:48:37,949
he is he is willing to to go there and

3310
02:48:42,769 --> 02:48:40,799
this show tonight definitely represents

3311
02:48:43,969 --> 02:48:42,779
that let's go back to the phones hi

3312
02:48:48,529 --> 02:48:43,979
you're live on fade to black who's

3313
02:48:59,059 --> 02:48:48,539
calling hey Lafayette talked directly

3314
02:49:02,329 --> 02:48:59,069
into your phone okay again talk directly

3315
02:49:16,579 --> 02:49:02,339
into your phone but you you said a solar

3316
02:49:18,380 --> 02:49:16,589
flare at 10500 BC Lafayette believe it

3317
02:49:21,739 --> 02:49:18,390
or not I can't hear a word that you're

3318
02:49:31,069 --> 02:49:21,749
saying I either take the whole speaker

3319
02:49:42,180 --> 02:49:31,079
or something something is okay it's

3320
02:49:46,911 --> 02:49:44,341
magnetic fields become oh like the art

3321
02:49:58,740 --> 02:49:46,921
well and so what where can come in work

3322
02:50:01,831 --> 02:49:58,750
also when it's stupid okay we can we

3323
02:50:03,961 --> 02:50:01,841
cannot hear you my man you're gonna you

3324
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:03,971
know what just hang up call back and

3325
02:50:08,400 --> 02:50:05,290
I'll put you at the front of the line

3326
02:50:09,570 --> 02:50:08,410
but it's you're not there you're not

3327
02:50:13,501 --> 02:50:09,580
there

3328
02:50:17,610 --> 02:50:13,511
I caught a brief snippet of what

3329
02:50:21,121 --> 02:50:17,620
Lafayette said and it actually applies

3330
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:21,131
to today and he was talking about the

3331
02:50:30,200 --> 02:50:24,730
tilt and a solar flare and I believe is

3332
02:50:36,301 --> 02:50:30,210
what he was saying that it would let

3333
02:50:41,060 --> 02:50:36,311
radiation in and back then yes there is

3334
02:50:44,520 --> 02:50:41,070
a lot of talk about that and the the

3335
02:50:45,841 --> 02:50:44,530
Torah T or the the protection let's just

3336
02:50:48,751 --> 02:50:45,851
go with that let's just go with the

3337
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:48,761
production that we have around the

3338
02:50:55,921 --> 02:50:53,200
planet we are shielded from most of

3339
02:51:00,060 --> 02:50:55,931
things that would prevent any life here

3340
02:51:03,270 --> 02:51:00,070
on earth much like but it would be like

3341
02:51:06,631 --> 02:51:03,280
if you were on the moon without any

3342
02:51:08,970 --> 02:51:06,641
protective gear right or on Mars without

3343
02:51:14,341 --> 02:51:08,980
any protective gear you're exposed to

3344
02:51:17,251 --> 02:51:14,351
heavy amounts of radiation and the the

3345
02:51:19,020 --> 02:51:17,261
tilt of of the earth because remember

3346
02:51:22,291 --> 02:51:19,030
we're tilted on our axis we're not

3347
02:51:28,261 --> 02:51:22,301
directly up and down that that tilt

3348
02:51:30,121 --> 02:51:28,271
would expose on the North Pole a certain

3349
02:51:36,211 --> 02:51:30,131
amount of radiation to come through we

3350
02:51:39,720 --> 02:51:36,221
see that with the Aurora and the the

3351
02:51:42,331 --> 02:51:39,730
Northern Lights that's exactly what is

3352
02:51:45,360 --> 02:51:42,341
happening right there it's a very

3353
02:51:49,440 --> 02:51:45,370
interesting thing and the other part

3354
02:51:53,620 --> 02:51:49,450
about this with the leaking of in the

3355
02:52:01,370 --> 02:51:57,650
the South Pole in Antarctica apparently

3356
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:01,380
that has closed up and it closed up

3357
02:52:08,570 --> 02:52:06,090
quickly it was expanding for decades and

3358
02:52:10,700 --> 02:52:08,580
that hole it seemed like it was an

3359
02:52:13,251 --> 02:52:10,710
irreversible process that it wasn't

3360
02:52:15,140 --> 02:52:13,261
going to be reversed that you know you

3361
02:52:17,240 --> 02:52:15,150
could take away all of the aerosol

3362
02:52:20,301 --> 02:52:17,250
sprays and everything else that they

3363
02:52:24,440 --> 02:52:20,311
thought was contributing to this over

3364
02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:24,450
the years that even the removal of all

3365
02:52:28,570 --> 02:52:26,610
of those flora carbons and things that

3366
02:52:31,450 --> 02:52:28,580
we were putting into the atmosphere

3367
02:52:35,180 --> 02:52:31,460
would would stop that and it didn't

3368
02:52:40,001 --> 02:52:35,190
what did stop it apparently is two

3369
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:40,011
months of us shutting down the planet

3370
02:52:47,660 --> 02:52:44,570
that's right and I'm not a scientist and

3371
02:52:51,350 --> 02:52:47,670
when I when I read these reports and I

3372
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:51,360
want to go back to what dr. Schaack and

3373
02:53:00,381 --> 02:52:52,800
I were talking about earlier which is

3374
02:53:03,801 --> 02:53:00,391
the the possibility of the cooling of

3375
02:53:06,711 --> 02:53:03,811
the planet going down right now if this

3376
02:53:11,660 --> 02:53:06,721
is indeed possible to grant solar

3377
02:53:13,430 --> 02:53:11,670
minimum if this is indeed possible we

3378
02:53:15,261 --> 02:53:13,440
have to stop and consider so many

3379
02:53:17,720 --> 02:53:15,271
different things because the argument of

3380
02:53:20,091 --> 02:53:17,730
global warming which is out there and I

3381
02:53:23,961 --> 02:53:20,101
get it man-made or natural it doesn't

3382
02:53:25,790 --> 02:53:23,971
matter but it creeping up and is it real

3383
02:53:28,580 --> 02:53:25,800
or is it not well that arguments been

3384
02:53:32,320 --> 02:53:28,590
out there now do you realize we are

3385
02:53:35,421 --> 02:53:32,330
going to have to deal with the opposite

3386
02:53:38,140 --> 02:53:35,431
conversation now for the next 10 or 11

3387
02:53:42,020 --> 02:53:38,150
years and that's the grand solar minimum

3388
02:53:44,870 --> 02:53:42,030
the the less activity that is going on

3389
02:53:48,790 --> 02:53:44,880
with sunspots there there have been

3390
02:53:51,711 --> 02:53:48,800
sunspots now for for a hundred days

3391
02:53:55,780 --> 02:53:51,721
right have you noticed any weirdness in

3392
02:53:58,820 --> 02:53:55,790
the weather I certainly have right and

3393
02:54:00,980 --> 02:53:58,830
are these going to offset dr. Schaack

3394
02:54:02,519 --> 02:54:00,990
says no that actually it's going to be

3395
02:54:05,329 --> 02:54:02,529
rowdy

3396
02:54:09,869 --> 02:54:05,339
we're gonna see extremes in the weather

3397
02:54:12,599 --> 02:54:09,879
well now we have this argument that's

3398
02:54:16,099 --> 02:54:12,609
gonna be going up against everybody

3399
02:54:19,979 --> 02:54:16,109
about global warming man-made argument a

3400
02:54:22,199 --> 02:54:19,989
natural argument no matter what now we

3401
02:54:23,969 --> 02:54:22,209
have the opposite all right I think I

3402
02:54:26,639 --> 02:54:23,979
have Lafayette back Lafayette are you

3403
02:54:29,819 --> 02:54:26,649
there yeah can you hear me now yeah I

3404
02:54:31,559 --> 02:54:29,829
got you now okay all right all right so

3405
02:54:33,750 --> 02:54:31,569
basically what happens is that solar

3406
02:54:36,239 --> 02:54:33,760
flare lights up the methane that escapes

3407
02:54:39,599 --> 02:54:36,249
from the polar areas that was the solar

3408
02:54:42,149 --> 02:54:39,609
flare of the big giant explodes fireball

3409
02:54:45,479 --> 02:54:42,159
over North America back in that time

3410
02:54:47,069 --> 02:54:45,489
that's with no impact crater this is an

3411
02:54:48,479 --> 02:54:47,079
explanation for it it happens every

3412
02:54:50,010 --> 02:54:48,489
thirty-nine thousand years when it gets

3413
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:50,020
warmer again because your tilts like

3414
02:54:57,359 --> 02:54:54,060
with more towards the Sun right and yes

3415
02:54:58,979 --> 02:54:57,369
it explains why carbon dioxide goes up

3416
02:55:01,500 --> 02:54:58,989
and then goes down to we are headed into

3417
02:55:04,039 --> 02:55:01,510
an ice age after this happens and I

3418
02:55:07,019 --> 02:55:04,049
think it's gonna happen in the mid 30s

3419
02:55:10,529 --> 02:55:07,029
there's gonna be a giant methane

3420
02:55:12,029 --> 02:55:10,539
expulsion it's right there will explode

3421
02:55:13,260 --> 02:55:12,039
cause it's not contained right it's just

3422
02:55:14,729 --> 02:55:13,270
all up there on the average but it's

3423
02:55:16,079 --> 02:55:14,739
coming up pouring out of the Arctic

3424
02:55:17,729 --> 02:55:16,089
right now it's gonna get worse over time

3425
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:17,739
because it's self-reinforcing cuz it's

3426
02:55:22,409 --> 02:55:19,449
like a hundred times stronger than

3427
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:22,419
carbon dioxide right so we'll get warmer

3428
02:55:26,250 --> 02:55:24,010
and warmer up until this point then will

3429
02:55:28,260 --> 02:55:26,260
suddenly get colder I guess probably the

3430
02:55:30,989 --> 02:55:28,270
solar flare might disassociate the

3431
02:55:33,029 --> 02:55:30,999
carbon from the oxygen that there's a

3432
02:55:36,179 --> 02:55:33,039
huge supplier back then to all over the

3433
02:55:38,460 --> 02:55:36,189
world well and see this is the thing you

3434
02:55:40,729 --> 02:55:38,470
know Dane Wigington has been talking

3435
02:55:43,949 --> 02:55:40,739
about this for a very long time and he

3436
02:55:48,179 --> 02:55:43,959
you know he can definitely sober us up

3437
02:55:51,359 --> 02:55:48,189
when he's warning us about methane and

3438
02:55:52,340 --> 02:55:51,369
its effects on us in the in the upper

3439
02:55:55,319 --> 02:55:52,350
atmosphere

3440
02:55:59,399 --> 02:55:55,329
that being said oh I said expulsion not

3441
02:56:03,479 --> 02:55:59,409
explosion by the way okay so but but but

3442
02:56:06,840 --> 02:56:03,489
this is the thing yeah I'm not sure if

3443
02:56:09,779 --> 02:56:06,850
we are prepared to have now an

3444
02:56:12,961 --> 02:56:09,789
additional and we can't do much about it

3445
02:56:16,501 --> 02:56:12,971
an additional discussion about

3446
02:56:18,961 --> 02:56:16,511
global cooling right and the grande the

3447
02:56:21,631 --> 02:56:18,971
minimum debt yeah we're ready for it

3448
02:56:26,100 --> 02:56:21,641
but it's what I just kind of have a pole

3449
02:56:29,421 --> 02:56:26,110
shift Oh blow a crustal adjustment what

3450
02:56:31,740 --> 02:56:29,431
do we do what do we do with this

3451
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:31,750
theoretically it's preventable but we're

3452
02:56:37,970 --> 02:56:33,040
being you know the mind controls

3453
02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:40,770
the reason the reason it causes the

3454
02:56:46,020 --> 02:56:43,210
crustal change it tastes like some

3455
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:46,030
number times 10 to the 18 zeros to tons

3456
02:56:51,661 --> 02:56:48,250
of force to move the crust on the mantle

3457
02:56:54,180 --> 02:56:51,671
and that's a tough act but when this

3458
02:56:55,890 --> 02:56:54,190
fireball lights of all the atmosphere

3459
02:56:57,780 --> 02:56:55,900
over a whole continent is listed like a

3460
02:56:59,041 --> 02:56:57,790
hot air balloon and now you've taken it

3461
02:57:01,081 --> 02:56:59,051
like there's a ton of air on you right

3462
02:57:03,961 --> 02:57:01,091
now now you're taking like 10 to the 13

3463
02:57:05,551 --> 02:57:03,971
euros of force off the continent and now

3464
02:57:07,501 --> 02:57:05,561
something like maybe they're the

3465
02:57:09,990 --> 02:57:07,511
difference between the dip pole of the

3466
02:57:12,631 --> 02:57:10,000
magnetism and where the big hunk of iron

3467
02:57:13,770 --> 02:57:12,641
or the geomagnetic pole in Canada is now

3468
02:57:15,421 --> 02:57:13,780
maybe there's enough force where they

3469
02:57:18,001 --> 02:57:15,431
snap up and so this these things

3470
02:57:19,980 --> 02:57:18,011
happened supposedly every 39,000 years -

3471
02:57:22,411 --> 02:57:19,990
there's a personal adjustment but the

3472
02:57:25,650 --> 02:57:22,421
ancient temples don't line up with the

3473
02:57:27,450 --> 02:57:25,660
pole the way they used to every 13 years

3474
02:57:36,650 --> 02:57:27,460
yeah that's right no that's absolutely

3475
02:57:40,530 --> 02:57:39,001
airline airlines and airports that are

3476
02:57:42,480 --> 02:57:40,540
named after magnetic directions because

3477
02:57:45,030 --> 02:57:42,490
the tip pose moving to reporter the

3478
02:57:47,810 --> 02:57:45,040
center of the galaxy ma Fayed thank you

3479
02:57:49,950 --> 02:57:47,820
for the phone call my man and give me

3480
02:57:53,121 --> 02:57:49,960
that's what I'm talking about

3481
02:57:57,511 --> 02:57:53,131
Thank You Lafayette have a good night

3482
02:58:01,711 --> 02:57:57,521
what a great show tonight and I can't I

3483
02:58:04,831 --> 02:58:01,721
can't stress it enough do when things

3484
02:58:09,091 --> 02:58:04,841
never get boring things never get boring

3485
02:58:12,121 --> 02:58:09,101
and the discussion of global warming and

3486
02:58:14,700 --> 02:58:12,131
of course pollutions and particulates

3487
02:58:16,411 --> 02:58:14,710
and and even chemtrails and and these

3488
02:58:19,860 --> 02:58:16,421
discussions been going on for a very

3489
02:58:21,621 --> 02:58:19,870
long time you gotta brace yourself for

3490
02:58:24,470 --> 02:58:21,631
what is going to happen

3491
02:58:30,231 --> 02:58:24,480
the next 10 years which is the opposite

3492
02:58:33,581 --> 02:58:30,241
the grand solar minimum yep yep and

3493
02:58:36,531 --> 02:58:33,591
these two things Jeff it's the universe

3494
02:58:38,171 --> 02:58:36,541
it's the duality of things right there's

3495
02:58:41,661 --> 02:58:38,181
no positive without a negative

3496
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:41,671
everything works with each other ones

3497
02:58:49,311 --> 02:58:45,690
and zeros and here we go there has not

3498
02:58:53,241 --> 02:58:49,321
been a mention of the grand solar

3499
02:58:56,961 --> 02:58:53,251
minimum by anybody prior to last week it

3500
02:58:59,930 --> 02:58:56,971
has not been nobody everybody kept that

3501
02:59:01,671 --> 02:58:59,940
brushed up underneath the rug I don't

3502
02:59:05,001 --> 02:59:01,681
know why it wasn't discussed five years

3503
02:59:07,101 --> 02:59:05,011
ago that these cycles are every 11 years

3504
02:59:09,501 --> 02:59:07,111
and two or three years from now four

3505
02:59:11,180 --> 02:59:09,511
years from now we should see a stop in

3506
02:59:13,881 --> 02:59:11,190
sunspots and then we're gonna go into

3507
02:59:15,711 --> 02:59:13,891
this cooling cycle and that's gonna be

3508
02:59:18,411 --> 02:59:15,721
out there front no but nobody

3509
02:59:21,741 --> 02:59:18,421
all right and here we are here we are

3510
02:59:23,901 --> 02:59:21,751
it's gonna be great with that I am going

3511
02:59:24,801 --> 02:59:23,911
to get out of here I want to thank dr.

3512
02:59:31,071 --> 02:59:24,811
Robert Schoch

3513
02:59:33,231 --> 02:59:31,081
you can check out the clip for his new

3514
02:59:36,411 --> 02:59:33,241
documentary and you can also help

3515
02:59:39,231 --> 02:59:36,421
contribute to getting the film done

3516
02:59:40,491 --> 02:59:39,241
Robert Schoch calm the links are over at

3517
02:59:42,680 --> 02:59:40,501
Jimmy Church radio.com

3518
02:59:44,301 --> 02:59:42,690
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3519
02:59:47,361 --> 02:59:44,311
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3520
02:59:49,311 --> 02:59:47,371
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3521
02:59:52,821 --> 02:59:49,321
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3522
02:59:55,521 --> 02:59:52,831
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3523
02:59:58,011 --> 02:59:55,531
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3524
03:00:03,111 --> 02:59:58,021
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3525
03:00:06,111 --> 03:00:03,121
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3526
03:00:07,551 --> 03:00:06,121
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03:00:09,531 --> 03:00:07,561
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03:00:11,571 --> 03:00:09,541
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3533
03:00:22,030 --> 03:00:18,620
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3534
03:00:23,930 --> 03:00:22,040
Moulton Howe until then I want everybody

3535
03:00:28,470 --> 03:00:23,940
to be safe